Israel are going to start WWIII

Most ethical army in the world blows up orphanages

https://www.thejournal.ie/monument-to-irish-peacekeepers-killed-in-lebanon-damaged-and-irish-funded-orphanage-destroyed-6530898-Nov2024/

Really don't know how some people can back that or turn a blind eye to it. Israel has absolutely lost the little bit of moral high ground it had at the start of this when Hamas attacked them. They have out-murdered Hamas by many times.

It would be great to say how that will happen.. Or how you came to conclusion that hamas will be small fringe group.

But they are a relatively small grouping, in the main largely confined to the Gaza strip.

Yes I do.

I would not call Iran launching 200 ballistic missiles at Israel "nothing much happened".

Equally I would not say Israel destroying what's left of Iran's antiquated AA defense "nothing much happened".

The idea that "nothing much happened" is ridiculous on either end.

You can believe that the US intelligence is making up whatever, but a) we already knew Iran had low level, low-tech AA defense in limited numbers versus Israel's cutting edge air force supplied by the US.

And b) there are literally satellite photos showing strikes on Iran, so unless you believe there's some vast global conspiracy, Israel did hit Iran as planned.

So far, one person who's made outrageous claims about Iran "defeating" Israel's attack, hyping up their abilities, and everything else….their source? Iran State TV.

People can take whatever side they want, but they have to live in the real world where logic applies.

I've responded to your " would be" post.

Probably yes, they are, and yet they've managed to somehow bring this kind of situation on whole nation.

Not excusing all what Israel does, but those clowns just made it easier.

But we do "have a clue".

The entire world including Iran itself knows it has an ancient and out of date limited air force and air defense network.

This is public information. It's not a secret.

I have no idea why you're pushing this aura of mystery that Iran might have this super secret world class inventory. It doesn't. Not even Iran pretends it does.

It's literally why they invested heavily in missile forces as a deterrent, because they themselves know, literally know, they cannot remotely compete with Israel conventionally.

Exactly what North Korea has done, because it hasn't a hope of competing with the South on conventional forces.

incorrect i'm afraid, israel being militarily neutralised is the only path to a 2 state solution.

hamas cant surrender anyway as it's not a legitimate army and this isn't a war but a genocide and land theft.

hamas must be terrorists so- they could release the kidnapped hostages to generate some good will and stop firing missiles at israel to commence the peace process

israel being militarily neutralised

That will never happen, it would be a death sentence in that region.

Hamás could have done plenty to avoid so high civilian casualties, instead they keep going their own brainwashed religious way, making sure the numbers will keep growing. So are the other groups, endlessly giving excuses for Israel to hammer them down. One would say they should know better by now..

Of course there would be a very different response if any other country kept killing American civilians without anyone ever being held to account.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgv03x040xo

the hostages are likely dead unfortunately.
if israel stopped engaging in land theft, colonisation and apartheid, stopped engaging in genocide and funding islamic proxis to wage terror then hamas wouldn't exist to be able to fire rockets.

Most people here just don't seem to get it.

There's no longer a scenario that exists where Hamas and Israel go back to peaceful co-existence.

Any peace deal or ceasefire that involves Hamas remaining in control of Gaza would be a disaster for Israel. It hands victory to Hamas and will allow them to buy time to re-arm and come at Israel again at some point in the future.

Netanyahu was very clear on this from day one of the war. His goal was to return the hostages and eradicate Hamas. He won't be stopped on this.

Of course, that has been easier said than done. It's been 13 months since the war started. The hostages still haven't been released and Hamas are still fighting. So what next?

Controlling all of Gaza is probably too big a nut to crack, but occupying 40% of the north is more manageable. This is where we are now. Gaza is cut in two and Israel are concentrating on removing the Hamas presence from this smaller part.

If Hamas are going to use innocent civilians as hostages, then Israel are totally justified in taking 40% of Gaza as security. They will 100% achieve this goal and the people of Gaza only have Hamas to thank for this.