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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    All of your comment is uninformed or disingenuous debunked nonsense

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    More words. Your doing it. Which of my comments is thus?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    In fairness at the time of the debate and immediately after, the democrats were in chaos -they needed a united front ASAP and Harris was it, illustrated by the heaps of donations that poured in after the announcement.
    I criticise Biden for not going much earlier - it was clear that the only publicity he was getting on social media and in the press also, was negative and health related - it would never have worked out for him .

    Harris slaughtered Trump from a “debating” perspective - now that’s not going to win you the presidency but it was a good start. Her “limitation” is that she’s associated with the current administration - her policies earlier in the election were Bidens policies - Bidens perceived failures as a president became her perceived failures by the voters- that’s a lot of baggage to handle but I think given the late nomination the Democrats had no choice - a candidate that was universally endorsed by the party was the only way forward at that time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    You are forgetting that voters don't want to hear stuff like that. Can you imagine is Harris spoke about raising taxes to pay for teachers and supplies. Or heaven forbid raising the minimum wage or increasing workers rights?

    Communist, Marxist, socialist. Look at contempt that AOC and Sanders are viewed by millions.

    Trump sells hope and easy solutions. Remember he was going to provide childcare for everyone. Paid by tariffs so China or somebody else was going to pay. (A 'policy' that strangely is never mentioned since).

    Americans are more exercised with books in libraries and arming teachers than actually spending money on schools and any attempt to fix that will lead to losing votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Americans are more exercised with books in libraries and arming teachers than actually spending money on schools and any attempt to fix that will lead to losing votes.”

    Actually not a bad point - even when it comes to education, we can see a left/right war taking place around just what books are in schools and what do they teach children - when the political turmoil and violence spills over into the classroom over words and pictures in children’s books, the country is rightly in a bad place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Because he is unchanged. Unapologetically unchanged.

    1) he is not unchanged. He is decidedly worse than he was.

    2) "unapologetically" - that's not a good trait to have

    She, not only should be better. The person on the ballot should be damn near impeccable.

    Why are you holding her to a much higher standard than him? What does a former attorney general, state senator and 4 year VP have to do to impress you? What the **** has he done that means he's worthy? He was impeached twice while president and crippled the deficit. His own VP won't vote for him because Trump caused a riot where people changed that they wanted to hang him. On what planet exactly does *that* demand the perfect opposition?

    They should earn that nom. She didn't. She was appointed. And a sitting VP appointed, which is worse.

    The American electorate voted for a Biden Harris ticket and beat trump by 7 million votes. One of the roles of the VP is to take the place of the president should anything happen to him or her. MAGA screamed for months that Joe was unfit, so he stepped down. What happened next is what the American people voted for.

    This is the race for the President of The United States. There is a bar. And maybe she meets it, but the team around her are crashing her out.

    Again, compared to him (and that's the choice in a two party system), she is absolutely light years ahead of him in terms of intelligence, honesty, temperament, experience. Oh, and she's also not a convicted felon out on bail.

    I genuinely believe that Biden would have won but whatever happened to allow this, whoever allowed no debate, no election, no nominees. They killed the party and allowed Trump back in.

    The decision was made to stand biden down. I think Biden might have lost the election. Compared to her, trump is old and reminiscent of the past. So is Biden. She gives a stark contrast, which is energising the democratic base.

    The idea that the Dems killed the party is hyperbolic nonsense. The fact is she is running against a cult leader, who could literally do anything and his followers will excuse it. That's the main reason this race is as close as the polls suggest.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,608 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I just see examples of America's cultural trash. Hogan is a pretty vile racist and "Dr" Phil has been cynically exploiting vulnerable people for decades. Perfect fits for MAGA in other words.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    The polls are so annoying. How can it be a dead heat in every damn swing state. Is this just all theatre for the sake of maintaining public interest or are the pollsters really so incompetent? Just call the winner, for goodness sake



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    Garbage would be a good word for types like these.

    But I definitely think that their negative baggage is much more of a hinderance than the fact they are millionaires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I read an article this morning which said that results showing large leads by Dems are disregarded, as the pollsters got 2016 so wrong in terms of the Dems leading, they want to make sure they don't make that mistake again

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Experts are questioning this now, it could be that pollsters (burnt in 2016 and 2020) have become too risk averse. Baking in too many factors leading to "improbably" tight polls. No question the race is tight, but yeah it's not helping



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I have heard that republicans have flooded the zone with favourable polls in order to make it easier to claim the election was stolen, I don’t know how true it is.

    Personally i think it could be very close or a landslide for either candidate. Early voting demographic numbers are looking good for Harris, apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Well there's an AtlasIntel set of results there that seems out of place - so I wouldn't be surprised. If they lost the race it would help with their election denial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    100%

    The DNC was soon afterwards if I remember. I do think that rush to jettison her in will hurt them.

    It felt at the time that when M. Obama backed away, it was Biden or nothing so they had to keep going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    TV Networks with News and Cable News Networks are going to use these tight polls for their own benefit and not really report any poll that has either candidate way ahead they want everyone to believe it’s 50/50 to drive their own advertising revenue.

    It’s all about money to them and their shareholders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    A Harris landslide would make claims of a stolen election very weak, it needs to be close for that tactic to work even among dumb Trump supporters.

    Would love a Harris landslide but find it hard to imagine. Just this constant quoting of dead heat polls annoys me, it almost feels like a tactic to create added tension, if the pollsters are so clueless I'd prefer media ignore them altogether



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    It doesn't demand the perfect opposition.

    Make no mistake, I'm not a supporter of Trump but I'm also not so clouded in my view point to think that the Biden Harris administration has been anything resembling a success. It hasn't and I don't think that anyone can defend it as being one.

    As has been said, the Dems were forced to appoint her. She was never going to secure the nomination, were it not for the debate where Joe Biden, fell off the wagon.

    You list everything bad about Trump, and your right. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the candidate that was picked and the strategy that's being used is coming undone by a candidate who is running rings around her.

    And its not a standard or double standard. Her sit down interviews have not been good. At all. She can't answer a question. The border is a disgrace and her answers are someway worse.

    If she was even a little bit middle of the road or had even one coherent policy, it would be a landslide.

    And Biden Harris won before because Biden was a political animal. He backed up policies and it all made sense.

    And as for Walz. Picking him has shown her judgement is very suspect. He had to be literally pinned down to give a straight answer about his military record.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    President Biden never stepped down. He's still the President. COG status was never enacted.

    And after the result, we'll see how the Dem party feel. The inquest won't be fun if they lose.

    And it's a big IF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    True, far too much journalistic energy is being expended on reporting the nature of the race being "too close to call" than it is on comparing the candidates on policy, on character or indeed on basic fitness for office.

    On the polls themselves, the Marist College poll has Harris up in PA, WI & MI.

    It's an "A" rated polling org but, their spread was well off in 2020 and as none of the pollsters are sharing methodologies? I really think there is an outsized risk of statistical herding affecting the results. It's also why I think none of the main pollsters are willing to risk breaking the consensus to make a differing prediction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,612 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The people pushing these falsehoods are the exact same people disingenuously accusing others of pushing falsehoods and conspiracy theories.

    They have the bareface cheek to lecture others about double standards.

    Do as we say not as we do, Democrats mantra.

    Bad actors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    Biden is regarded by US historians as 14th best president of all time.

    His presidency has seen a very impressive "soft landing" recovery from inflation (which many economists said was not possible) - leading to extremely impressive economic growth, high employment, high wages etc.

    Plus things like the CHIPS act & various cross house legislative initiatives

    One can criticize him for being hesitant on Ukraine & Israel - but on both Trump would be far worse.

    The "border" was a joint democrat-republican initiative shot down by Trump/those acting on his behalf to have a stick to beat the democrats with.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/02/19/1232447088/historians-presidents-survey-trump-last-biden-14th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You implied election fraud was an issue in 2020, it categorically was not so that's very much is pushing a conspiracy theory. Claims of a deep state etc is also a conspiracy theory. The fact you avoid actually discussing your claims and simply get offended over them getting called out says a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There can be some ambiguity about what Biden meant with his garbage line. This is not to make any conclusions about what he actually meant, though.

    The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American.

    He uses 'is' rather than 'are', which would imply a singular target of his words rather than plural, in the strict interpretation.

    "He is garbage | They are garbage."

    However, the ambiguity comes in when you consider that many people aren't always that precise in their wording, especially when speaking off the cuff.

    Although Trump's words often cause outrage among opponents, he usually leaves himself enough wiggle room to say he meant something else when picked up on it. I'd say Biden has about the same amount of wiggle room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    More false equivalence.

    What the Dems did made sense and the election will tell if they were right to.

    The idea that this was somehow undemocratic whilst saying absolutely nothing about Jan 6, and trump's *current* claims that he won't accept the results of this election, discloses your real position.

    "I'm not fan of Trump but" is clearly bullsh1t.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    Did Biden administration not rid US of the remain in Mexico policy? Didn't immigration go up?

    Shrinkflation maybe? Any reasonable response to the cost of living crisis in the US?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭DangerMouse27


    Discloses your real position. .. what?

    So you'll just attach falsehoods to my arguments. Sound of you. I never said anything about Jan 6th.

    I think your lost in the argument.



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