Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Home heating automation

1157158160162163175

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 Goldenkt


    Hi all, I’m looking for advice/recommendations for a multi zone system. We currently have climote which has 3 zones - upstairs, downstairs & water. Our climote system seems to be on the blink and I’m not sure on the companies trading status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    Probably the easiest replacement kit for the climote is the Drayton wiser Kit 3. A receiver will mount in place of your climote and connect to the three zones. It comes with two wireless Thermostats which are places in the CH zones, living are adownstairs , master bed or landing upstairs. All three zones are scheduled and controlled on the app plus via the wall thermostats. Way superior to the Climote. If your climote is already located in a suitable position for a zone measuring thermostat, the wireless Wiser thermostat can be placed close by.

    If you wished to use the Tado system, this is also possible by using a wired thermostat beside the wireless Tado receiver, together they will connect to all to all three zone wires from the climote, then place the wireless Tado thermostat in the upstairs zone. Did you have a remote temperature sensor fir the Climote upstairs zone, or was it just timed segments of on,/off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 90pinions


    Sounds like what I need also, but would love any advice on same.

    I have a Climote with 2 zones (living and bedroom) and hot water. I have a seperate underfloor heating that is coming back through Heatmeiser and isn't controlled by Climote at all. And I'm happy leaving that as is.

    I have two wired stats in bedroom and living area that have never worked. Kids bedrooms, I really need to put something in place that allows me to have heat kicking on if they drop to say 15c / 16c - but current setup won't allow.

    Open to replacing Climote as a whole with a new, smart system as I have a lot of other smart home devices in the house. Drayton Wiser 3 might be best bet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    Yes, Drayton wiser Kit 3 is 1 box solution for the climote, drops straight in. Two wireless stats located in the most effective places (livingroom and master bedroom are common) will provide time and temperature schedules for the general upstairs/downstairs zones, with HW timimg on the app. With a single zone stat in charge if several rooms, it's important to balance the other zone rooms (the other bedrooms say) by opening or closing the radiators valves such that all rooms heat to roughly the same temperature as the stat controlled master. This is done usually by opening the radiator valves full, then adjusting the lockshield valve at the other end to restrict rads where the room heats quickest. It's a trial and error method, but it works to give colder rooms a bigger bite of the hot flow.

    The best method of balance is to have passive mechanical thermostatic valves on the non stat rooms. These will individually cap room temperatures when the zone stat is calling for heat. The ultimate step is to replace these mechanical Trvs (just the non plumbed knob bit), with smart TRV heads. Now the bedrooms will have programmable time/temperature control, and will call the zone heating just like the main zone stat.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,155 ✭✭✭✭mik_da_man


    Thanks for the feedback, looking like Hive might do the job all right.

    On the wiser, if I ran two separate phones)apps/accounts would there be any issues on the wiring side having two Hubs?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    I did come across some discussions on this a while back, on Reddit I think. I'll have to look back and see. I have a feeling the app can add another stat, as this might be for TRV firing control. It's a while since I read the Drayton bumf, ideally someone who's played around with a few kits would know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,291 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Tado X now selling in UK/Ireland. just ordered this to go with the TRVs I got from Amazon.de

    https://uk.shop.tado.com/products/wireless-smart-thermostat-x-starter-kit-incl-programmer-with-hot-water-control-and-opentherm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,291 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Yeah same here, it's gone to the dogs so I'm replacing it with Tado



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi

    Looking for feedback on the Tado Smart TRV Valves I have manual TRV's already and just wondering would it be a direct swap (see attached pictures)

    How battery life etc and are they worth it ?

    I have the Tado Home starter kit V3

    Thanks

    TRV_1.jpg TRV_2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    Personally have found battery life to be okish. Not sure if it is linked to how far from the hub the trv is or maybe more linked to often it is having to push the pin in/out.

    It is usually a straight swop - if the Tado doesn't fit directly onto the threads it comes with multiple adaptors



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I have a big installation so cost would be too big to replace. I guess I will just have to keep on trucking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Thanks for that seems to be mixed views online about the battery life I will look into it a bit more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    There's a particular rechargeable that they have approved for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    At €1 per annum per TRV for decent bulk pack AA alkaline batteries, I wouldn't be bothered with rechargeables.

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/varta-longlife-power-aa-alkaline-batteries-40-pack/565PH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi,

    My Tado V3 Starter kit that I installed last Sept to replace a Hub Controller (with help from Deezell posts #4650) stopped controlling the Boiler last night. Even though the unit is powered off (see attached picture) the boiler is running I wonder (because its an old system) are the contacts fried I did get the circulation pump replaced last September as this failed and I think it may have blown the Hub controller at the time

    Is there any way to reset the control unit?? Have contacted Tado support

    At the time Deezell suggested "getting either a mains to mains relay of at least 15A to shift the inductive load from the Tado"

    Control Unit.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    I did, you shouldn't have the contacts of the Tado directly powering a boiler, the boiler should have a relayed switched live. An old boiler with just a single live in to turn everthing on and off needs an intervening relay.You'll need to check if the CH Com and NO terminals are fused together internally, by removing the power and checking with a meter.

    Post edited by deezell on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭mel123


    @deezell I keep forgetting to snap the boiler room when I’m down there. This is the control In the kitchen

    IMG_3416.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi Deezell do you think the Tado unit is finished I won't be able to get it going again ??

    Probably have to revert to an APT timer until such time as the boiler is upgraded



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    It's far more likely that the ageing boiler motor starting capacitor is below spec also, which will contribute to higher surge currents and arcing over the contacts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    You can only check to see if the contacts are fused and supplying power constantly to the boiler. Its likely that there's a small relay soldered to the board, a techy person would source a version of this and replace it, but that's for those who like this kind if thing.

    I've had similar relay fusing on a 5 ring electric hob, rings stay on constantly, but I identified the fused relays and bought replacements in RS components for €5. The entire hob was scrap otherwise as only the entire circuit board was available as an overpriced spare, most of the price of a new hob.

    In your case a repair, if possible or even a complete new extension kit will probably fuse again until you sort the boiler issue, with a mains relay box or a newer permant live boiler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    US

    What is the white unit over the 3 channel timer. It's only partially shown. Is that a receiver for a wireless wall thermostat elsewhere, or does it have buttons or a dial that's not shown?

    Does this device currently control the UFH?

    Is the entire downstairs UFH?

    You have two timed radiator zones both upstairs? And a Hot Water timer.

    See if you can find a brand name on this unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi Deezel,

    I have a person in mind who might look / repair this for me, if I can get it repaid I won't re-install it until such time as I sort / replace the boiler.

    The boiler itself while old I recently replaced the circulation pump and another part was replaced about 2 years ago no doubt it seen better days but a replacement is a job for the summer

    In the meantime if I cannot get an electrician to install a relay would an APT type timer be the best to replace it with ?? I think you mentioned previously these can handle the loads.

    I will talk to an electrician and see from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi Deezell

    Do you wire this first and then wire into Tado ?

    It’s working as per normal this evening!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    You may have loosened it by jolting it with power off and on, assuming it was contact related rather than any other fault. There are very few circumstances where a mechanical relay will stay closed after solenoid power is removed, fusing is the most likely, and I have seen similar where you can jolt it open and resume operation, until it sticks again. If you want to try this heavy duty Salus relay, you can mount it beside the Tado or place it inside a wall socket box with a blanking lid for safety. It takes permanent Live and Neutral in, linked from the Tado supply. This Live is also linked to the Salus COM. The boiler live supply wire is moved from the Tado NO to the Salus NO, and the Tado NO is then linked to the Salus SL, to trigger the Salus relay and send live to the boiler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Thanks Deezell

    I will have a look at this but might at this stage get a Electrician to do it altogether.

    Appreciate your help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,783 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    I am having challenges with tado receiver going offline at nights due to weak wifi signal..whats best way to address? Move the internet bridge closer to receiver thru a wifi extension kit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭deezell


    Thar will do it. Remember,Tado does not use WiFi, the Internet connection is wired to the bridge. The bridge uses a wireless protocol very different from WiFi to connect to stats, trvs and the ext. kit receiver. Having the bridge better located to 'see' all these is a good move, and a wireless access point extender with a wired ethernet port is just the job. The mains powerline extenders are particularly suited to this, like these Netgear ones. I'm reluctant to recommend TPLink as they're been implicated in Chinese state sponsored MS Azure bot password attacks from innocent owner devices.

    NETGEAR PL1000-100UKS PL1000 Powerline 1000 Mbps 1 Gigabit Ethernet Port Adapter, Homeplug Access Point, White



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭mel123


    Thats only something sitting on top of it. There is no other make or model on the unit, and there is nothing out in the boiler room.

    UFH is the one with the tap, its just the kitchen/dining room.The middle one is upstairs, and the first one is downstairs (but not kitchen/dining). Kitchen/dining is the only room with UFH, all the rest are rads (gas).



Advertisement