Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

What is it with his rallies? What’s he actually doing ? I “get” the repetitious messages and really they should never be discounted - this is the person who won the 2016 election using such a strategy - but he’s all over the place at his rallies this time around - less Shirley , would be more - short sentences - key messages - devicive and controversial- viral on social media within hours - job done!
what’s all this waffle about?

Watching ITV news . In Wisconsin , a solid Blue State they said they’d vote Trump because of Sleepy Joes inaction over Gaza .
And these are Arab Americans saying that .

I’m at a loss

2 hours Christ above, doing his best to win over the Muslim vote. Interestingly enough no anti war protesters have showed up at his rallies unlike Harris's. He has a great chance of winning Michigan imho.

Politically nonbinary? Allegiance-fluid? Affiliation-queer?

didn’t see that news item - but a few weeks ago it was reported …and I quote…

“I’ll puke first, but I’ll vote for Trump”- this was from a Muslim in response to what he perceived was Bidens handling of the Gaza war - it’s a protest vote - even though some brotherhood of Muslims or whatever they’re called, asked Muslims to vote for Harris, there’s certainly a cohort, no idea how big, who are voting for Trump, even though they may “puke” beforehand

I think anyone looking to avoid 'But X' or 'But Y' in a two horse race is might be better off staying out of the conversation.

Like, if you are trying to discuss the failings of a candidate without assessing the other candidate in the same way, and you get angry at people who point out that they possess the same failings, then you're not discussing the race, you're advocating for a candidate.

You could do both, very few people who seek out these conversations for an extended period are truly objective, but if you want to raise a point as to character or ability of one candidate without a light being shone on the other, then you should have a think about why that is the case.

It's very frustrating to see some of the stuff that people post (not just on this thread) which makes it clear that they are not here for discussion (discussion being consideration of all parties involved) and so sometimes it is appropriate to respond with 'But X/Y' because it shows you know what they are doing and are not falling for it. And I think that's why it annoys a lot of people. They can't defend a topic that they are still advocating for for some reason, so they try to limit people referring to it.

Do you only think in black and white? I’m finding it hard to believe I’m talking with a human here.

From the Biden speech which I read and watched I believe he was referring to Trump supporters as garbage. I don’t belief he meant the comedian or the comedians supports or trumps inner circle.

You seem to think I’m some sort of Trump defender or supporter.
I’m not.
Trump has said and done plenty of bad or terrible things.

I can think Biden comment was wrong AND think Trump has said and done terrible things.

This is my point.

I will stop replying now as we are going around in circles.

He said "Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine guns shooting at her."

You're honestly gonna suggest he wasn't talking about wishing her shot dead?

And Trump dodged the Draft and wouldn't even visit soldiers graves, much less a war zone or a front line.

post the full quote please

Same old tactics, just like the bloodbath comments

What Trump was actually saying was that she and her father wouldn't put themselves or their families on the frontline in a war zone

When you're writing this to defend the position/argument of someone who literally, like LITERALLY literally wouldn't put themselves in the frontline in a war zone, you should stop and maybe think why you are doing that. Donald Trump avoided the draft for Vietnam not once, or twice, but 5 times. And 60 years later, you're defending them implying that that is a bad trait in someone.

This right here is a perfect example of how Trump is judged differently to other candidates.

(Also, it's also a perfect example of why the 'But Trump' argument is very valid and shouldn't be seen as deflection)

"same old tactics" like "everything reeks of desperation TM?"

Those are his words, he was suggesting Cheney be put in front of 9 rifles and shot at. No amount of trying to walk that back or dress it up as 'an anti-war stance' makes it OK. Trump understands that, Trump hasn't dared to repeat the remark, even as he tried to defend his broader remarks.

It was not that long ago Trumpers screamed bloody murder about Biden's "Crosshairs" remark, and no, they didn't care about "the full quote" - their argument was that it was wrong to use such violent rhetoric. Huh. Now here we are, it's 'OK' to talk about Liz Cheney being shot by 9 rifles.

The same Trump who called dead servicemen losers and broke military cemetery rules for a cheap photo op.

The same Trump military officers who served with him in official.capacity openly call him fascist and unfi lt to be President.

Demonstrates the absolute hypocrisy of Trumps attack. He attacks Cheney cos she didnt serve. He attacks those who did serve!

Utterly morally and intellectually bankrupt hate that shoudnt be sane washed.

No it wasn't, and you know full well.

Are you trying to say I’m a closest Trump supporter or am I misunderstanding?

Either I wasn’t clear or you misunderstood my point when I said something along the lines of let’s not go into the Trump stuff.

What I meant by that was that there’s a massive list of things he’s done wrong and we’d be here all night.