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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,285 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    you insinuated that I didn’t believe Julia Roberts had the “right” to do that - I most certainly did not say that- we’re done here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    You asked for one and I gave you one.

    Not my fault Trump supporters can't post within the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If Fox News wasn't hypocritical it wouldn't exist.

    In the same program this morning they made an entire outrage theater out of Biden's 'garbage' comment, set up in one of their favorite diners to stage the inhabitants chanting 'we are trash' (don't call it weird)

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-friends-diners-chant-we-are-trash-we-are-trash/

    Which requires you to turn off your critical thinking and presume that Biden wasn't talking about the comedian and anyone else who agreed with his comments about Puerto Rico being floating garbage.

    Following that, they had the gall to overclock their critical thinking skills to try and spin Trump's comments last night that fantasized about Liz Cheney being in front of a firing squad, admonishing Liz Cheney for interpreting that as a threat to have her executed or get her assassinated, and arguing 'you know that's not what he meant!'

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/she-knows-better-fox-friends-ridicules-liz-cheney-and-drudge-totally-irresponsible-reaction-to-trumps-guns-at-her-face-comment/

    I don't know decide for yourself what did Trump mean when he said “Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrel shooting at her. Okay. Let’s see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face.”

    Sounds to me like he's talking about having her executed by firing squad. How can you interpret it differently? The couch-dwellers tried to interpret it differently, but I really don't follow their thought process:

    “So he was just talking about how she is a warhawk. And would you have the same point of view if she was actually at war?” explained Brian Kilmeade before reading Trump’s statement aloud.

    “So to me, I get totally the context of that,” Kilmeade said. “Tucker had an event. He joined Tucker’s event. Tucker is doing live shows all across the country, and he was asked about one of his chief critics who’s campaigning against him. So people are portraying it as if he’s saying Dick [sic] Cheney should be in front of a firing squad assassinate, be shot or assassinated. Obviously, you can you understand Trump You understand the context.

    He didn't say 'how'd she feel if 9 Iranians or Hamas had guns trained on her though, he said "let's (let us) stand her in front of 9 barrel[s] shooting at her."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I asked you a question. "We're done here" since you don't want to explain your reason for why should should have kept her opinions to herself. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Weird how republicans worry about their wives exercising their constitutional right to vote...

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Stealing this from an earlier poster showing the difference between betting markets and voting.

    If you have 100 voters who place bets and 90 of them bet $10 on Harris and 10 bet a Million each on Trump. Trump would be the raging betting odds favourite but he's going to get hosed in the election.

    A small number of people betting extremely large sums of money one way or the other shift the odds dramatically , but they don't necessarily represent the likely results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,842 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If the head of one party insisted that if he did not win the election, he meant that some-one had managed to access and alter the votes of multi-million voters to make him lose AND contrarily that if he won the election, it meant that there had been no vote-altering at all…. No one's votes were interfered with at all and everything was ok after all.

    Remembering that it was several weeks before the voting began that the party leader began making the claim on the result of the vote, please explain to me how anyone who came up with such a variation to explain away a lose or a win should still expect to be taken as a credible person?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You'll also recall that, with the large number of split votes (ballots eg. Republican voters cast that were red all down-ballot but didn't vote for Trump to get re-elected, eg. never-trumpers) that neither Trump nor the Republicans tried to sue to have those ballots discounted for the purposes of those down-ballot races that they won which decided how many seats they controlled in Congress. A point that was regularly made in the counterarguments of their 60+ failed lawsuits to stop Joe Biden from being the 46th POTUS. It's a point similarly brought up in the Jack Smith indictment: that Trump's post-election pressure campaign never once involved 'trying to investigate voter fraud' of any other races besides his own, underpinning for Smith his demonstration that what Trump was doing was not at all an official act of the Presidency to oversee anything to do with the integrity of elections (something the President has no official ministrations in dealing with anyway, the States perform the election and the Congress certifies) but rather acts of a solely self interested candidate seeking to affect the outcome of a race he knew he lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Nationally, as the 2020 exit poll was national and I assume the split you gave for the early voting exit poll of women voters was national also.

    In the case of Georgia, even the figures you provide show it's down vs 2020. There's only 100k mail in ballots unaccounted for. So it's looking like early voting will be down. Still impressive as there's no Covid. Georgia, Michigan or Illinois don't report the party affiliation.

    The rest do
    PA: DEM -45% / REP -6%
    NV: DEM -48% / REP -22%
    AZ: DEM -32% / REP -13%
    NC: DEM -27% / REP -8%

    So the national figure I quoted is reflected in the swing states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/wall-street-journals-editorial-board-defends-trump-by-saying-his-attention-span-is-too-short-to-stage-a-real-coup/

    The editorial board’s view on former President Donald Trump returning to the White House was published on Thursday, with them declaring he lacks the “attention span” to pull off a real “coup.” The board made it clear they did not want him as the Republican Party’s nominee and that there was not a whole lot of excitement around either candidate.

    “We wish it was a better choice, but that’s democracy,” the board wrote, calling Vice President Kamala Harris “unprepared for a world on fire” and Trump a bit of a wild card.

    I think I've seen this before:

    'Donald Trump, once the demi-god of the reactionary extremists, looked a much sadder man today than 4 years ago when he, with Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, the oathkeepers and proud boys and other extremists, engaged in a conspiracy to overthrow the government. His behavior during this election has convinced us that he is no longer to be feared.'

    Even if the WSJ believes Trump 'lacks the attention span' the people he associates with more than certainly do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,952 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Now play the whole clip of what Trump was saying about Liz Chaney rather then dishonestly clipping it. Desperate stuff from the Democrats and the media. He is clearly speaking about politicians like her sending kids and face enemy guns in their faces thanks to the likes of her and her father



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You can play the whole interview if you like, but it doesn't make it any more exonerating. He was fantasizing about standing her up to a firing squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,612 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    People usually arent armed with a rifle if they are in front of a firing squad are they now.

    Its utter desperation by Cheney and the media trying to insinuate he was talking about a firing squad.

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    Is it any wonder people dont trust the media when they try to spread lies like the above ?

    Even Joe Walsh who hates Trump said "Trump did NOT call for Liz Cheney to be executed. This is what’s so wrong with our politics today".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    They are clutching at straws now, reeks of desperation. Pretty clear what he said, her father has nothing but blood on his hands, and she defends it, how would Liz be if she faced with that? clearly what he was referring too. But the media up to their usual tricks again,try to spin everything, no surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Was he talking about himself when he referenced elites not going to war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    WaPo reports a poll that 1 in 8 women indeed vote differently to what they tell their husbands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    They're also reporting from sources in the Harris campaign team that undecideds appear to be breaking for them by over 10 pts.

    WaPo journalist

    https://x.com/mviser/status/1852397136060596423?t=4XmgaDOpEASHLbQfxgHDIw&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭King Power Fox


    Trump has blood on his hands from Jan 6 and if elected the situation in Ukraine will be worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Harsh, many politicians and indeed their kids have served with honour, unlike any of the Trump clan; I mean Vance at least was a photographer in uniform, and remember that Biden's late son served with honour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,806 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I honestly cannot fathom telling my wife how to vote. We have discussions, I know her politics, she knows mine but her vote, her time in the voting booth? Are sacrosanct and wholly private, as are mine and everyone else's.

    There's a reason for the secret ballot and the boosters and influencers in the US seem to forget that.

    One's vote is between them and the ballot box. If someone is trying to control how their partner votes? It's not a healthy relationship, thats controlling behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,285 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    That’s just one of the ways to influence voters - “all these women are doing it why don’t you?” - it’s influence 101- no different to the tactics Republicans have used throughout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's MAGAs whole bag: JD Vance wants women's voting rights taken away and he wants men to have their votes count for their wives and their children. They don't want their wives and children to vote, they want to control their vote without any risk that they get any uppity ideas about thinking for themselves.

    And that's just what he's promoting now, if that became the law of the land what insane policies would he push for next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,285 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It’s also coercive behaviour - it’s a sign that there’s something a whole lot more wrong with the relationship if one party - male or female- is forcing their partner to vote a particular way - call 911 would be my response if I heard that from someone or 999 in Ireland - there’s obviously an abusive relationship in play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,444 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Two of the worst candidates in election history…..America an absolute basket-case.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If I predict the winner but don't bet, I don't affect the odds. People are going to bet more typically on the side, team, person, they think will win but there have been plenty of times where well backed groups have shifted odds by betting high at the right time, and then betting the other way. Examples have been given multiple times in this very thread. Not saying it's happening here but it does happen. If it was as simple as the favourite always wins, either the odds would be rubbish, people would never lose and bookies would be just taking your money to give the same amount back.

    For all you know Kamala will be favourite next week, does that mean she will definitely win?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,401 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Meaningless hyperbole unless you are actually familar with every election in US presidential history.

    Who were the candidates in the 1800 and 1856 and 1924 elections. From memory.

    I can make a case for Trump being one of if not the worst. Harris is a credible capable candidate who has served in multiple branches of government.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It's not a theory, it happened. What you, I or anyone else here doesn't know is if it's genuine, I've got loads of money and believe I will get more via a Trump win or if it's odds manipulation, also to make more money by either changing odds on Kamala for a late bet (bad call as her odds have started returning in the last day or so) or they have other hereto unknown benefits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Harris is most definitely not one of the worst candidates. Highly competent throughout her career including as a politician. Trump is most definitely awful though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'm also thinking about Nixon (Watergate), and Reagan (Iran-Contra). Calling her 'the worst in history' certainly feels like low effort hyperbole.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,444 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Trump is D worst. He’s vile..

    Harris is very poor in my view. I do really hope she wins though



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