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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    So it’s SF, Soc Dems and Indos yeah? Can only really base it on existing TDs less the ones we know are gone. I can’t see Stanley involved and won’t include the gene poolers from other parties.

    Tanaiste and Education: Cairns

    Finance: Doherty

    Public expenditure: Mairead Farrell

    Foreign Affairs: Brady

    Justice: Pa Daly

    Housing: O’Broin

    Social protection: Gannon

    Health: Culinane

    Disabilities (take out third level portfolio): Gannon

    Environment: Whitmore

    Agriculture: Carthy

    Enterprise: O’Reilly

    Transport: O’Callaghan

    Gaeltacht: O Laoghaire

    Rural Affairs: Kerrane

    Arts, Sport, Tourism: Darren O’Rourke

    Both parties are really weak with a lack of depth. The Soc Dems have nobody with experience on finance so can’t even take public expenditure. Clearly you’d need PbP and Labour in there but even still the opposition benches are not great…

    I wonder would McDonald pull a James Dooge and bring a Northern MLA into the Senate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,569 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I suspect that any and all coalition partners would insist Justice/Defence is kept away from SF, like Justice is basically reserved for Alliance or Independents in NI.

    A party of any scale would insist on having one of the Finance/DPER twins

    PBP would be down to maybe 2 in such a situation as would Labour, PBP would not be capable of going in to coalition as they will not give an inch on anything and SFs manifesto will be vastly too conservative for them. Labour would probably be Kelly and Bacik, who'd both want ministries for going in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Yes indeed. Very instructive to put the names in the slots. As a non-aligned voter, the slate looks very weak on economic portfolios, I think they would struggle to hold back the naive ambition of colleagues.

    The scope for short term, populist and nepotistic policy calls in the secondary Depts would worry me also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Theyll come up with plenty of excuses and reasons not to hold one. Their supporters would turn against them if they opened the doors to a UI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    On the Labour side it is bad as well. If you had them in there I could see Bacik as a highly competent senior minister as well as Alan Kelly. Ged Nash is grand in finance but doesn’t exactly make a splash.

    Catherine Murph and Shortall are huge losses from a potential “change” government even if I frankly dislike both of them for how they operate in politics.

    At least you could swap out a few of the real incompetents in that list from SF but it is really still so threadbear.

    When you compare it to 2011 and what was available in terms of experience and young talent it is something else. SF obviously can’t help not having been in government before but the talent and experience is just so lacking across the opposition. You look at 2011 and you have people who had served in Cabinet 30 years prior - now the only one who could possibly serve with prior experience in the form of Alan Kelly and that is less than 10 years ago! Goes to show the changes in politics….

    The fact that we basically have an opposition by accident (SF outperforming expectations and so many Independents) can’t have helped either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    There is nobody competent in there either. Murphy is the only one with the capacity to perform imo, but he actively chooses to be a megaphoner SU politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,077 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Are you just basing this on your gut bias against Fine Gael? I see no logic to your argument at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That is like saying WW2 was because Germany invaded Poland. It wasn't of course, just as the conflict/war here was not begun by SF/IRA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    PBP will never take up a Minister role, too much like hard work

    All they want is a handy number in Dail, do a couple of videos, couple of march's calling everyone a racist or something else…whatever is in fashion at the time

    Then go home and do sweet f**k all

    Of course a few outrage epsiodes in the Dail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    This is the latest rubish seemingly been pushed out from HQ

    If you wnat a United Ireland(polls are high in Ireland for people wanting it) then you shouldn't vote for FG

    That's it, they have nothing to back it up only the usual huff and puff from SF

    It's desperate times in SF, the internet is awash with all sorts of rubbish as they scramble to try get some votes back

    Paddy Cosgrove is in hyper drive

    Sit back, watch and laugh at the utter ridiculous nonsense they come out with



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,032 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What part of what I said did you not understand? Republic of Ireland politicians are elected to serve the people of the Republic. We didn't wanted the troubles in the Republic and for the most part we succeeded in that. The politicians did right by the people they were elected to serve. Common sense.

    Northern Ireland was, and still is, part of the United Kingdom, it was their responsibility to look after the issues up there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I'm basing it on a poll of FG supporters that said a majority do not want a UI. FG won't go against what the majority of their supporters want. The reality is, I'd be surprised if the FG parliamentary party were not of a similar disposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     We didn't wanted the troubles in the Republic

    Nobody wanted them, but they still happened.

    For 60 years constitutionally the people of all this island were Irish and we had a duty to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Ever since SF started dropping in polls he has gone over the cliff

    I suppose he is worried about whatever SF offered him is going the way of the dodo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    SF supporters spend a lot of time waffling about polls and then go very quiet when the polls isn't what they want

    The polls done in Ireland reflect the population want a United Ireland once they dont have to pay additional taxes

    Thats a poll on the people. Now you can jump around for another few pages waffling about FG but thats the actual poll which is relevant. Of course you dont want to discuss that one.

    If a United Ireland ever comes to a poll it will be because of corss border projects which the current government has put in place which is FG/FF/Green party.

    SF have been in assembly for how many years and have achieved what so far in terms of a United Ireland?

    Have SF actually managed to form a partnership with any party either side of border? that would be a no

    A united Ireland has UNITED in the title. Something SF forget.

    Please carry on waffling about FG. It's kinda funny now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    I suspect there's another story about Paddy's own less than stellar behaviour at Web Summit due to be published in weekend papers - as it's all attacks on journalists from him today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    It's amazing how polls that show a fall in supprt for SF are gospel but one on the majority of FG supporters not wanting a UI is flawed. 😂 it's great being able to pick the best of both worlds. 😂😂

    FG position on a UI is clear. It's not on their agenda anytime soon. The position of the majority of FG supporters is clear. "We don't want a UI." I don't why you are so against accepting those facts.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    The SF view of a UI is that it’s just something they want. It doesn’t matter who diet wants it or if others don’t. It doesn’t matter if the new United Ireland will be a shíthole with no funds and no ability to look after itself. It doesn’t matter if those on the fence or those happy with the status quo don’t want it. To paraphrase Fr Fintan Stack, SF will have their UI and that’s all that matters. Honestly it’s a terrible point to come from at a project like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I didn't say the poll was flawed

    I never seen the poll

    Just pointing out SF supporters roll out polls when they want to, once the poll doesn't give them the answer they want it's rubbish and poll are useless

    This is FG position on a United ireland:

    https://www.finegael.ie/our-policies/northern-ireland-and-the-future-of-our-shared-island/

    In terms of claiming things are facts, sorry like the other person who talks gibberish on these threads, its not a fact its an opinion.

    Carry on, as I said it funny!!

    P.S. I expect 100 posts jumping around now trying to get around the actual information provided in the link.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    once the poll doesn't give them the answer they want it's rubbish and poll are useless

    I have never seen anyone do that, can you link to an example?

    We don't need another diatribe, just back up what you claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You never seen anyone? strange you post now how the polls dont count and only an election, yet previously the polls are the sign of what is to come

    No I have no interest in trying to search 70k posts of gibberish, the fact you are trying to deny it says it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    See Clo-Clo, what you've somehow failed to realise is that what FG say and actually mean are two completely different things and it's even proven in that link.

    We support extending the franchise at Presidential elections to Irish citizens resident outside the state. This referendum should take place on the date of the local and European Elections in May 2019.

    How did that referendum go? Wait, let me guess, it's SFs fault it didn't happen, am I right? 😂

    And this is exactly why anyone who thinks FG will ever hold a referendum on UI is deluding themselves. A UI will give SF a much stronger electoral position, and that's one of the many reason why FG will try their absolute best to never let it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I asked for a link/back up got another diatribe.
    I get you, making it up as you go again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Gave you FG opinion on a United ireland, yet you continue to waffle on.

    I couldn't care less what you think on FG holding a referendum, I don't think anyone else will either.

    Again, let me remind you who set up the cross border project and it had nothing to do with SF

    Also, let me remind you the people of ireland have spoken in a poll and only want a United Ireland without additional taxes. So fix that conundrum first a chara and then you can waffle on about FG and will they or won't they run a referendum because at the moment the population of Rep of ireland doesn't want one.

    By the way a United Ireland doesn't give SF a stronger position, people will then have the option to vote for the parties in Southern ireland and its a big assumption to think people will continue to vote for SF when they have different and potentially better options.

    Thats the same sort of ignorant assumption SF supporters make when they talk about the catholic community growing in the North and that automatically means they all want a United Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Dont worry Francie, little jibes is all you have

    If you ever posted something and stood over it I think boards would crash

    Flip flopping like SF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No links/back up when asked again just a diatribe and now some personals.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Maybe read my posts next time before coming back with smart aleccy responses. I have seen nothing to the contrary that says SF don’t want an imminent UI. NI can barely manage a working assembly and we are having enough issues here with the sudden influx of new people. But, yeah, throw another smart response together so you and the rest of ‘the lads’ can high five each other and in he meantime the parties that are actually competent, unlike SF, will get on with the job of not running both sides of the border into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I think a regular poster on here got that one shut down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    There's a reason that link is full of fluff and BS. It's likely from the same website that will tell us the Children's hospital will be ready in 2022, 2023, 2024 etc etc. Our that the targets of 50,000 houses will be met as well. It's the stuff of fantasy and lies, much like their lie about holding a referendum in 2019 to allow people North of the border vote in an Irish Presidential election.

    How can I fix the conundrum about additional taxes? That's the government's conundrum to fix, well, it would be if they had any interest in a UI. But they don't so I'm not going to place any expectations on them to do much about it.

    No, it's the assumption made based on what a former FG Tainiste has said.

    Some politicians in the Republic of Ireland fear allowing Irish citizens in Northern Ireland to vote in presidential elections would result in a Sinn Féin president, according to the former tánaiste (Irish deputy prime minister).

    Speaking in favour of extending the franchise, Simon Coveney said others "shy away from this decision because of political reasons".

    During an event hosted by the Kennedy Summer School on Saturday, he said: "They are not enthusiastic about this because of self-interest in terms of party political interests and so on."

    "I think that is the wrong way to look at this."

    FG, the party of self-interest. Absolutely no surprises there.



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