Israel are going to start WWIII

Most of what Biden has said is purely for the optics. The proof is that every time one of his envoys went to the middle east the visit was followed up by further terrorist activities by Israel - usually yet another massacre.

I hope Biden ends up in a cell in the Hague, but I doubt if it will happen.

People do have a right to resist. What's happening to the Palestinian people since the Nakba is horrific. The embargo of Gaza was wrong. The settlement building, the apartheid system and displacement in the west bank is wrong. If the October attacks had only been against military targets, then Hamas would actually have a lot more support. But they weren't against military targets. And that's why you won't find people here supporting them. Their actions that day were horrific and wrong on every possible level.

Likewise, if Israel wasn't dropping bombs on civilians and killing and starving so many innocents, you'd see a lot more support for them. No-one is saying israel can't take action to protect it's civilians, but what we're seeing is wanton death and destruction.

people here have the opinion that killing and targeting civilians is wrong. And that goes for whatever side is doing it.

However pro Israel supporters translate this into support for Hamas. Why? Because apparently if you don't 100% support every action that Israel takes, you must hate jews.

The United Nations has to be, ya know, "united" on an issue.

The clue is in the name.

It can be frustrating to see good intentions brought down continually, especially when it's by one contributory nation and doubly so when it's done purely for their own self interests and against the greater good. But the UN is far from "useless". It can be, however, stymied by its own charter sometimes and America's veto of Israel's sanctioning is a perfect example.

But Trump is elected, he has implied he will simply attempt to hand over eastern Ukraine to Putin (by refusing to arm the Ukrainians any longer).

No, I don't buy the "madman" theory with regards to Trump. He's shown himself to be all bluff too many times.

If you're going to quote parts of something I posted please keep the context. You've taken bits that change them meaning of what I posted, for example

It doesn't matter what the world thinks of Israel, they simply don't care

Without the last part it's means something else.

You've also over looked that I posed that Hamas should have have committed the attach on the 7th it was futile and has done untold harm to the ordinary people living Gaza, being a war crime too as well

but Hamas shouldn't have launched the attack, it was never going to gain anything for them or the people in Gaza.

https://www.thefp.com/p/abigail-shrier-the-kinderfada-revolution

The organisation The Free Press has investigated antisemitism in schools in California.

The following is from near the end of the article:

At schools were antisemitism is being promulgated, children are turning against their Jewish classmates. Dozens of interviews with parents, teachers and people at non-profit organisations reveal that discussions of Israel quickly become personal, and American Jews - even children - are the inevitable targets.

'Tammy', a Jewish substitute teacher in Oakland, said, in the past year, she's been astonished by the sheer volume of anti-Israel messaging to schoolkids. She said to Abigail Shrier: "We're raising a generation of antisemites".

Surely it's just my thinking moving too far into conspiracy land but…

There's been many campaigns by Israel to sway public opinion, largely in the US. This is clearly something they are actively engaged in. That's not conspiracy theory. And there's reports that some of their methods include creating accounts on forums, reddit, X etc to sway opinion or to defend Israel.

Now if those people tasked with doing that were to look at how they could do this, surely they would look to countries where anti-Israeli sentiment is quite strong. Ireland would feature quite high on that list, as Israeli leaders themselves have said publicly.

I don't think it's beyond possiblity that Israeli govmt agencies have discussed how to improve Israel's image in Ireland.

And to influence or sway opinion in Ireland, there's not a huge amount of public forums they would look to create accounts on.

I'm not saying there are Israeli agents posting here.

I'm just saying that if there's not, then the Israeli agencies tasked with doing that aren't really doing their job.

Mod Edit: warning issued - please discuss the topic and not posters

I haven't changed your meaning at all. The fact is, though, world opinion does matter even if Israel don't care.

And on the contrary, Hamas' attack has gained them what they wanted. It has made the west look at the Palestinian issue & Israel with very different eyes and strengthened the cause for Palestinian statehood.

Despite the high price, Hamas has achieved their aim.

I spent some time reading through that article. I would seriously advise posters here not to bother, it's a complete whingefest from some of the most privileged members of US society. Her husband is the heir to a wealth management fund, but she spends her time complaining about how antisemitic everyone else is because they have a degree of empathy for the Palestinians.

They are happy to approve every action by Israel and applaud all the Palestinian suffering, while the slightest pushback is described as the most egregious antisemitism. Clearly in their heads they live in a world which is at complete variance with reality as experienced by virtually everyone else.

If what they support wasn't so totally inhumane, i'd be minded to feel sorry for them.

Well, if and when Trump gets into the White House we'll see how much worse, potentially, he can be.

It seems that the israeli strike on Iran was far less than what was initially planned. Earlier this month, the israeli defence minister Gallant was quoted as saying:

"Our attack will be deadly, pinpoint accurate, and most importantly, surprising - they will not know what happened or how it happened."

Even last week, he was quoted as saying:

"after we attack Iran, everyone will understand your (israeli airforce) might, the process of preparation and training – any enemy that tries to harm the state of Israel will pay a heavy price,"

Terrible threats, the Iranians were really going to pay!

Last week, 25th October, the US apparently sent 10 air refuelling tankers to the middle east. Presumably timed to assist the israeli strike the following day, which launched over 100 planes to attack Iran. And…all they ended up hitting was an old US supplied Hawk air defence system, possibly a decoy because its so old, and some outbuildings at a disused factory. By all accounts, the israelis never even approached Iranian airspace - firing from extreme ranges with minimal effect. Normal life continued in Iran. It seems strange to have threatened this biblical revenge, launched over 100 planes to carry it out and then…barely anything in terms of damage.

There is a possible explanation I've seen floated: that the israelis were intending a full onslaught against Iran with following waves of attacks, but were spooked when they realised early on that their planes - including the F35s - were being tracked by Iranian radars which they didn't expect. They stalled for about an hour wondering what to do, and then fled home.

Not sure how true it is, but nobody launches 100 planes just to accomplish so little after threatening so much.

They are raising a generation of antisemitic people because of all the murdering and sh1thousery they are doing especially when you are supporting genocide. And they still want the sympathy. It shouldn't happen but you are bound to get the antisemitism even though you are innocent just like the innocent people of Gaza are being associated with Hamas.

Very true. I used to invent stuff but now i'm bombing people instead.

Doubtful. israel has never paid any attention to US needs before this point. Its been busy carrying out a modern day genocide supported by the US in a US election year. I don't think a strike on Iran even registers by comparison to the damage israel's atrocities has already done to both Biden and indeed the US claims about being the champion of a humanitarian "rules based order".

Its interesting that someone in the Biden administration decided to leak those assessments, but if israel did plan to cut back on the strike then why not walk back the earlier blood curdling threats of armageddon to prep the narrative of restraint? Why launch 100 planes to do next to nothing? It makes them look weak to threaten so much, expend so much and achieve so little.

israel is increasingly looking like that guy who runs away from a fight while constantly bragging about what'll they'll do next time. Lets face it, their conscript army is struggling and failing in Gaza and Lebanon against militias. Another militia in Yemen is imposing a naval blockade on them in the Red Sea that neither they nor even the US navy can do anything about for over a year now. They huffed and puffed about Iran, but did nothing of note. But next time, next time…