Israel are going to start WWIII

I have as much credibility as two respected news agencies.

Take it up with them.

It's fun watching you squirm. What was all the waffle about me and Israeli news sources? Another theory climbdown?

I got the actual number of wounded from the Israeli embassy in Washington. Reported on 10th Oct. Do you dispute it?

Pathetic. You made a mistake. Own it.

Do you dispute the update from the Israeli embassy in Washington on Oct 10th? Yes/No. Try not to squirm. Tatters.

I already have.

If your source is correct, i have no problem with that.

Just stop suggesting i made something up. I did a search and found two reputable sources. There's only so much fact checking someone can do. I'm happy to be corrected on such matters.

You did the search after you claimed 10,000 for Oct 7th and then avoided the truth on purpose. You have been corrected several times but only now chose to apologise. You're welcome.

Tell me this sunshine. Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed and wounded since Oct 7th?

27,000 children have been orphaned.

Your Al Jazeera tracker is for the whole year by the way (7-Oct-23 to 29-Oct-24) Not just October 7th. At least understand what you are looking at.

Do you believe that the beheaded babies story, the baby in the oven story was true or used to justify the killing of civilians in Gaza? Do you believe the IDF killed its own citizens on October 7th?

Sheepy's Al Jazeera link provides the numbers killed and wounded since Oct 7th. He is so helpful.

Palestinians killed in Gaza = 43,020

Palestinians injured in Gaza = 101,110

Palestinians killed in West Bank = 763

Palestinians injured in West Bank = 6,250

Israel-Gaza war in maps and charts: Live tracker | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera

Israeli attacks have damaged:

• More than half of Gaza’s homes (damaged or destroyed)
• 80 percent of commercial facilities
• 87 percent of school buildings
• Healthcare facilities so 17 of 36 hospitals are partially functional
• 68 percent of road networks
• 68 percent of cropland

Good questions - truthfully, I don't know the truth, I wasn't there.

In all three cases you mention, reputable news organisations have debunked both babies stories and have noted that the IDF are likely to have killed Israeli citizens. Zaka and their vested interest (in terms of garnering donations) makes their claims suspicious, the fact there were no babies (or only one baby) in the Kibbutzim mentioned, the rowing back of Biden seeing images of beheaded babies etc.

The first casualty of war is the truth. But Israel have time and again (and not just since Oct 7th) proven themselves to be consummate liars.

So, until I see further evidence to the contrary, the beheaded babies and babies in ovens, I believe are untrue.

A read a recent report that interviewed IDF members who said they were ordered to fire on anything that moved back toward Gaza, and they did. Whether that was the implementation of the Hannibal Directive, I don't know. I've not seen any reports of how those recovered by Israel were killed or details on who was killed by whom. I don't think that matters TBH. There are always, regrettably, friendly fire incidents in war.

What is clear however is that what Hamas did on Oct 7th was abhorrent.

What is Israel has done since is abhorrent.

The word abhorrent does not cover what Israel continues to do - only Genocide would cover that.

EDIT: I certainly do believe, as has been widely reported, that Israel has repeatedly issued reports that are lies, solely to justify killing civilians. They have equally suppressed to truth (no reporters) to hide their crimes. And that's not just Gaza - that is Lebanon too. It is their modus operandi - has been for years.

Also, the regime (and their supporters) say there will never be a Palestinian state. So not only have they to surrender, but they have to accept there will never be a free Palestine and their role is be permanently subjugated by Israel.

A sick & depraved country

What future have they got as a society? They seem totally screwed for many years to come - the Palestinians and the Lebanese can still hold their heads high.

Predicted in The Book of Revelation

No Dief is dead. He was killed in an Israeli airstrike a few months back.

Yes the UNRWA move was in fact an own goal for a nation defending itself against the charges at the ICJ, but I think through American pressure that law will not be enacted .

I get that it's a very unequal state, and I get that Israel's actions help recruit fighters for Hamas. But it doesn't take a genius to work out that Hamas barley got 50% of the vote in 2006, there hasn't been an election since. If they were that popular then they'd easily win. And their actions on the 7th of October crossed a line and was only ever going to start a full scale war that Israel would win. There is no good outcome for Gaza in this. Hamas threw the whole population of Gaza under a bus.

Perhaps. But that bus was waiting just a few yards down the street with the engine revving and was more than willing to drive over them. The driver was just looking for the excuse.

Hamas may have have provided that excuse, but now the world's eyes are focused on the region and just how rapacious, venal and egregious Israel is. Anyone who isn't a morally degenerate animal is looking at Israel in absolute disgust because of what they are doing. It is now a pariah state in the minds of decent people, even those who have never even spared a single thought about the Palestinian issue before last year.

In the end Hamas got their result.