Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Is it really though? Wasn't there always a bit of this toward the scorned immigrant group of the day?

At this moment in time HE IS THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT AND HAS BEEN SO FOR THE PAST 4+ YEARS.

How can Americans listen to him?

I'd say it's 25/30 years of having their brains turned to mush from watching reality TV from the likes of Jerry Springer to Trump himself throw in the likes of the Kardashians & Hilton's and Fox Entertainment News promonting Hate and Divide, Us and Them, Wealth and Poverty middle America has been completely desensitization to the real world.

What Trump say is just another reailty TV Entertainement programe to them not the real world.

People are eating dogs... That's from the guy who's actually running for president.

it’s hard to look away, it’s like a giant pack of biscuits that you have to finish even though you know you are poisoning yourself and actually stopped enjoying them long ago….

Targeting immigrants has also been the bedrock of American society from close to day one…Irish, Italians, Muslims….

He also said Laura Loomer is going to be head of communications 😐

Double irony being that the sparser the population density the higher the Trump support.

I was just thinking earlier of when I went to the USA back in the 80s on a student visa and I got a job in a building maintenance crew and nearly all of them were illegal immigrants from Latin America. No one raised an eyebrow about that then, cops weren't bothered as long as you didn't step out of line and grey immigrants stayed in their respective ghettos. I was living in New Jersey and while walking to the shop one day cops pulled up alongside me in their patrol car and asked me who I was, what I was doing. They didn't ask me if I had a valid visa, or asked to see my passport. All they said was "stay out of trouble kid" as they drove off.

I knew plenty of Irish then working illegally in critical infrastructure who'd then go home to Ireland for holidays via crossing the land border with Canada and then onward by plane. Many become legitimate via the Morrison visa program in the 90s too, but my point is that was how the US had worked, tacit acceptance of irregular immigration kept the boiler room of the economy humming while those on the top of the pyramid couldn't see the labouring at the bottom.

When they're freaking out about not knowing who's in the country they're not understanding that their country is built upon immigrants who shed their old identities to become part of the franchise.

Trump was as dependent on such labour for his hotels, so he has zero excuse for his race baiting.

Post reported for underhanded name calling, and your reporting my post after I called you out on this in an attempt to save face was pathetic.

Mod Edit: Warning issued for backseat moderation - three day forum ban also applied

A lot of really interesting perspectives from some American citizens in this article - it gives a small insight as to what’s on voters minds and how they’re thinking - probably one of the better articles on the American voter psyche that I’ve seen

This point really resonated with me - the ability to discus and debate doesn’t exist in this election.
I was trying to put my finger on why Harris’s efforts just didn’t look like or feel like they were making any inroads or impact - and this quote below probably explains why- no one is actually listening .

“The inflammatory rhetoric, the noxious stereotypes and the intractable position of Trump’s supporters who might or might not like him, but will vote for him anyway, is proof that the US is currently incapable of conducting any sort of discourse “

And this point is also quite poignant too-

“This will be my second presidential election and I’m tired of having to vote against a candidate instead of voting for one. “

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/31/voters-election-anxiety

“This will be my second presidential election and I’m tired of having to vote against a candidate instead of voting 

forone. “

That simply shows a misunderstanding of democracy. Very rarely does one get to vote for someone they completely agree with. It is always going to be a compromise. It is what is at the core of the support for Trump. People believe they don't have to compromise. They simply ignore anything they don't like and convince themselves that Trump will do everything they want.

Harris doesn't get the same treatment. Israel, immigration, inflation etc. These are all points that people have legitimate concerns about. But, would they be better under Trump is the only real question.

So any vote for something like POTUS ultimately comes down to which candidate is closer to what you agree with than the other. In effect, you end up voting against the other person rather than for one person as you aren't overly enthusiastic about the latter.

God they’d have done anything to pull that off with Harris! And Biden is a top drawer candidate and intellect compared to her

Because almost without exception, the institutions the establishment operate despise him. Non-tabloid media. The universities. The judiciary, other than those he managed to appoint himself. The civil service, the professions, Silicon Valley apart from Twitter, the cultural elite. Big business merely tolerates him. About the only institution that I can think of that would instinctively back him is law enforcement, and even then, just the blue-collar element within it.

What is it with that orange makeup?

Just feckin weird looking.