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New boyfriend earns substantially more than me and I can't keep up with him

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Sean are you ok? seems like you are in a different world. "ah remember that night out we had on 7th of July, I bought you 1 more drink than you bought me and you got a coke with the vodka so you still owe me 10.27 and you havent given it back to me yet, its just been on my mind ever since". 🤦‍♂️

    how pathetic of him, and he will get way worse if you marry him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    He will still plan things and just expect me to be able to go, if I dont have money he offers to lend it to me.. Im not sure what I should do.

    No OP, no, no, no. There is something way off here. Not everyone earns the same. 50/50 splitting of bills is not unusual. Its okay that he wants to do nice things if hes earned the money etc. But it cant continue leaving you feeling indebted to him or even worse short of cash. You've spoken to him about it and not only does he not listen, but he arranges things knowing the 50/50 split he wants puts you in a difficult situation and then suggests lending you the money? Absolutely no way Jose! It would be different if you were suggesting these things and expecting him to foot the bill or meet the difference but you're not.

    If you want to try further and work this out. Next time he books/arranges something that you can't afford don't go. Other than that, I'd let it go. You can't go round feeling indebted to someone.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,542 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Next time he suggests something just tell him you can't afford to go out. If he tells you he'll loan you the money, reiterate that you can't afford to go out, and you're not prepared to get into debt for a date. Loaned money still needs to be repaid, and if you can't afford it this week, there will be something else you can't afford next week when you have to pay him back.

    If he's a nice, but slightly clueless, fella he'll understand and drop his expectations of dates in restaurants and expensive nights out. If he pushes it you might just have to finish with him and tell him he needs to find someone else who closer matches his salary.

    I think often people assume everyone is similar to them. So he hasn't really thought about how much you earn, or your monthly expenses. He just knows how much money he has and thinks everyone around him is similar. Maybe he's not being deliberately mean. He just hasn't thought it through. We can all be a bit guilty of that. If you have been going along on dates, and you have been "accepting" loans, then he's not to know it's a very real problem for you. Tell him. His reaction to that will then decide whether or not this relationship has any future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    When I met my wife I was working and she just finished university. When we went out initially it was always for a few drinks or a dinner.

    When drinks I always got the first round so tended to pay more of the evening. When we went out to eat I paid for the food and her the drinks. It meant she contributed to the bill but not too much.

    We went away once or twice but it was my suggestion so I footed the hotel bills. It was only fair since I was the one who suggested going away .

    I didn't need it pointed out to me that since I was earning I could afford more. Mainly due to me not being an idiot.

    If you have said to your boyfriend that you cannot afford to do something but he does it anyway then money is not the issue. Your boyfriend ignoring your wishes and putting your under pressure is a far bigger problem. He will not change and you are better off without him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    Right here we have an example of what happens when people from different earning demographics hook up. It's tricky.

    In 2024 it's not acceptable to be sponging off anybody....soo OP you either up your game and match his income or go back to dating poor boys.

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    I agree with a lot of previous posters. You can date to suit your budget or not at all.

    It's unfair of him to expect you to borrow money for a simple date when a different, less expensive date could be done. I don't know how new the relationship is and if he is really aware of your financial situation but if you really like him aside from the financial issues, lay it all out for him and explain that you can't afford the big drink nights or the fancy dinners and that you would rather plan less expensive dates that you can both afford. His reply to that will tell you everything you need to know. There is nothing wrong with splitting things 50/50 so long as you have agreed in advance where you are going, e.g. you have already chosen a restaurant you can both afford. And he doesn't go crazy ordering the dearest thing on the menu and then expects 50/50 when the bill comes :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭notAMember


    Your boyfriend certainly has an expectation problem. He wants your time , energy, love, fun, holiday companion, show up looking good etc, and doesn't seem to twig that this takes money that you don't have, to fund that level of lifestyle demand.

    Differences in approaches to money is the top reason couples break up. You need a serious, sit down conversation about this, making sure he understands your financial values and how you spend.

    And holy moly op, how can you even survive on that wage? I mean, you've your head screwed on by realising you shouldn't get into a heap of debt for entertainment, which will serve you well long term. But as well as your relationship problem, you need to solve your income problem somehow too.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If he is totting up the drinks totals in his head and letting you know, then it is time to leave. I have never kept the totals in my head for friends or girlfriends when on a night out. I earned more than my friends when we left home first, I just never thought about it. They all caught up with me, it is never mentioned as that's the point of disposable income.

    When I first met my wife, she earned considerably more than me, we always went to split down the middle but I am pretty sure a lot of stuff on nights out was probably more weighted to her. Years later when I earned more, I contributed more. She certainly paid a few restaurant bills by paying on her way to the bathroom to save the discussion.

    Long story short, if someone who is substantially wealthier than you is totting up your ledger over social drinks, no matter the relationship, it is time to leave, nothing to indicate she is a scrounge, just that he is either a scrounge or wildly insensitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Going out for drinks for the night, with what they cost these days, is such a waste of money, e15 a cocktail etc... I don't know how pubs ate so busy with young people, they earn nothing and can seemingly afford to pay this



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  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is an extremely bad foundation for a long term relationship. This will remain the dynamic even if you get married and will be a constant source of arguments and resentment. Don't set yourself up for pain later - find someone who's a better fit for the life you have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    The money stuff can be worked out (probably/possibly) - it's the utter lack of awareness/consideration/empathy that would concern me about this.

    Having had it pointed out to him, however obliquely, that you simply can't afford that sort of dating lifestyle, that he blithely carries on and insists on squaring up on everything (to the point of offering loans, and counting rounds of drinks - the absolute selfishness of that!) would be a huge red flag for me.

    It's not a money problem, it's a mindset problem for me - and that's a very hard thing to change.

    If you're mad about him, try a serious sit-down Actual Conversation about it - it's an absolute buzz-killer that might have unintended consequences - but I think the consequences of carrying on as you describe it now are not great anyhow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    When I started seeing my partner he would have been on a bit more than I was. At the beginnning we kinda operated on a "whoever asked or suggested the night out/restaurant/date" paid. It worked. So if I said "hey lets go out to x restaurant", I'd pick up the bill, if he suggested cinema, he did. It worked well as it allowed each of us to plan dates that we could afford. When we were together a bit longer, we did split things 50:50 but we were on a more even salary scale at that point.

    Over the years, as salaries change, we've reassessed how much we put into our household based on that. Sometimes it was me earning a bit more, other times it was him. We still randomly treat each other.

    I think for me, if you've tried talking to him about the fact that you can't afford to keep going 50:50 on dates & doing expensive ones & he's not taking that into account, that's the red flag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Novfith


    What you say could well be true but we only hear one side of the story.

    You say you earn less and have a lot more expenses than him. What are your expenses that he doesn't have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,308 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I'm not sure that matters much - her life is her life - she only has so much disposable income and it's being stretched beyond reasonable by his dating lifestyle.

    People meet, their circumstances are as they are at that point in time - it's his complete lack of willingness to even realise or consider that, is the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭easygoing39


    What will he be like if you get married and have to stop working because of raising children?? Will he give you €50 a week and think the children's allowance will cover the rest of the household bills?? Dump him now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Novfith


    It kind of does matter because if he has lots of bills and his disposable income is not that much more then the complaint isn't really founded.

    I think this is a simple fix anyways. When he suggests going out, OP can just say no she can't afford it. He either says he'll pay or there is unhappiness and they'll break up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    like many things with the disorder, we believe in a fair and just world, but fail to see bigger pictures, there actually is a good chance he has autism and is failing to see what hes actually doing is undermining the whole relationship. tough one op, but hes not getting the big picture at all, you ve some deep thinking to do, maybe explain to him you need a break from the relationship, and see what happens, or maybe just move on, best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    There's no simple fix for meanness and selfishness , when it's ingrained in people it's there for life



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    If his disposable income was not that much more than hers, they would be more evenly matched as far as affording dates goes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    if he does indeed have autism, like most things with the disorder, this behavior is primarily anxiety based, and the strong belief in social fairness, but the failure to understand, we re not all starting from the same point, and in this case its the same point of income, and in relationships, that sometimes means pooling incomes, in order to achieve equal goals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Novfith


    Or they differ in how much they save and allow as disposable income.

    Doesn't sound like OP is getting into debt or anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Hank the DJ


    Sounds like he's not that sure of the relationship yet, and doesn't want to, in his mind, "waste" money on it.

    I'd run a mile if I was you seeing as you've already discussed it with him and it hasn't changed, this behaviour won't change and you can bet if the roles ever reversed he'd resent it.

    That's my 2 cents, now pay up...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    "if he's bought me more drinks than i've bought him he'll let me know"

    🤣🤣🤣

    Wtf. He sounds like an absolute psychopath. Run a mile.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,299 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I'm all for a fair share between a couple when it comes to cost of things - but a fair share doesn't mean 50/50. It also doesn't mean an exact ratio based on your income either, there is always give and take.

    In this instance though it sounds like the boyfriend either is oblivious or doesn't care about your circumstances OP. I can totally see how somebody who has the money would assume others do too when it comes to affording nights out, takeaways, and so on. But the big red flags to me are offering to lend you money for these sorts of activities and also keeping tabs on how many drinks you owe him.

    If it was me I'd have a serious conversation with him about this. If he's defensive or disagrees with you or doesn't want to change behaviour, I'd be walking. But a serious conversation could also be the kick he needs to sort himself out and grow up a bit.

    Good luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,424 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    This is it. It’s more his attention to detail around it. It’s like an intense watching and tracking. Weird behaviour. As if he’s trying to make sure he doesn’t get “ripped off” in a relationship.. bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,955 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ..intense watching and tracking could also be seen as hyper focusing and vigilance, all common with autism, but are very toxic behaviors in a relationship….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Comparing bare numbers is essentially meaningless. Everyone will have a minimum of fixed expenses. Those might not vary much between people.

    So while a person taking home 2k a month might only have 100 quid of discretionary income to play around with after the fixed expenses are paid, a person taking home 3k a month might have 800 quid to play around with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,424 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yup. I thought of some kind of spectrum disorder when reading the posts. Either that or just a bit of an odd-ball



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭BQQ


    next time he suggests going out,
    Tell him you can’t afford it

    If he offers to lend you the money, say you won’t be able to afford it later either

    If he cares about you, he will offer to pay for you or stay in with you

    If he goes out and leaves you home, the people saying red flag are 100% right



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