Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Other than the nonsense he came out with on the tv it could be argued that Trump handled the Covid pandemic very well, at the same time Americans had more money in their pockets, inflation was under control and people felt more secure. It most certainly wasn’t the disaster of a term that many had predicted.

I agree with a lot you say, but the ultimate selling point that it comes down to is transparency, while everyone knows what we get with Trump we have no idea what Kamala Harris really believes as we all know that her campaign is a standard vanilla politician approach of smile wave and say nothing.

People hate uncertainty, transparency is the winner here.

I wouldn't say that bored and/or mental prisoners should be allowed to transgender themselves, no, but nor would I say that such a bizarre edge case should have any bearing on a fcking US presidential election. It's classic fear mongering but taken to a level that would have made the writers of The Day Today raise an eyebrow.

If that's an issue, then it's truly open season for public concerns. Might as well be against Harris because she's no plan to tackle Bigfoot droppings in state parks. Hope I'm not giving MAGA any ideas, here.

felt more secure? They were out on the streets protesting for months. What is this fantasy you’re pushing.

What transparency? The man is not transparent, he's motivated by self interest. He's in the pocket of billionaires that he intends to give cabinet positions. He won't even admit the fact project 2025 is part of a potential administrations goal. If you mean transparent in terms of knowing what to expect, he's not remotely transparent on what their goals are.

But that nonsense wasn't just a vacuum. He didn't talk nonsense to the press and then hold serious, thought-out discussions behind the scenes.

The US was one of the last countries to get the wave, yet was completely unprepared. He lied to the American people, which at the very beginning might have made sense so as to avoid panic, but once the virus had taken hold he was more active in attacking those that tried to deal with it then actually keeping people safe.

Although he was well aware of the real facts, he was very happy to create and nurture a sense that there were no real answers and nobody really had any idea. When the vaccinations did arrive, a triumph of medical know-how to develop so quickly, he was slow to press them and let the idea that maybe they didn't work ruminate (until such time as he needed help of course!).

And if inflation is the big issue then what has Trump decided to do to deal with it? Impose tariffs and deport anything from 2m to 21m people from the country. That will, overnight, lead to massive price increases.

But you cannot simply exclude a major event like COVID-19 from his time as POTUS. Events are what decide a person's ranking. And he failed on Covid. If we exclude the mini-budget from Liz Truss's time as PM, she actually did ok I suppose!

He failed to deliver on his statement election promises. He had no plan, or even an idea of how complex healthcare was, to get rid of Obamacare. He never came even close to building the wall or did anything at all to get Mexico to pay for any of it.

He didn't drain the swamp. He didn't get rid of the deficit and he didn't bring jobs back (apart from a few high-profile and extremely expensive PR stunts that never amounted to much more than photo ops)

how many Americans died in the end?

While Trump pushed for vaccination funding, he undercut all that by pushing quack cures instead of the vaccination message along of the CDC \ Fauci. Instead Trump undermined the CDC, and never called out those in Republican circles who were publicly undermining vaccination benefits.

We extrapolated the estimate to the U.S. population after excluding persons with an incomplete primary series and estimated that approximately 232,000 (214,000–250,000) deaths in unvaccinated adults were preventable with full vaccination during the study period. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459/#:~:text=We%20extrapolated%20the%20estimate%20to,vaccination%20during%20the%20study%20period.

Doesnt sound too good so @erlichbachman

Good point. All those betting odds showing massive Trump victory is probably all being manipulated to be used as "evidence" after the count.

Either way I just hope things don't turn nasty. The Republican party has been taken over by complete lunatics who'll say anything and do anything. There is no barrier to how low they can go.

Elon musk must be making more whale bets last night as Kamalas odds keep drifting away

You speak just as coherently as your master it seems

Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting, one day forum ban issued

Given the fact we know the betting markets have been heavily manipulated, it's a bit odd that ye're giving so much credence to it. And given the fact the Puerto Rican scandal is looking pretty serious, it's hilarious to watch ye ignoring it.

And what do you think they should do? Policies? No, Trump has no policies, he has concepts of a plan. So clearly Trump supporters are not interested in policy

Economy? They certainly say they are interested in that but that Trump offers nothing on that but still they laud him. We were better off under Trump is a line oft-repeated. By what measure? Wages have gone up, jobs have increased, and the economy as a whole (GDP) is the fastest-growing in the world.

Apparently, they didn't like Biden because he was too old, well Harris is way younger than Trump and that clearly wasn't it.

Biden was too old-school politician. Trump has been involved in politics as long as Harris, so again that isn't it.

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter to the vast majority of Trump supporters as they are not listening. They are convinced that everything Trump says i right and true, despite him being wrong and a liar.

The clearest example is that of Ukraine. Biden has come under attack for giving support to Ukraine, yet Trump is seen as the person who is going to stand up to Putin. it makes zero logical sense.

Biden has successfully dealt with the massive inflation problem caused by Covid and Ukraine, but apparently, Trump is the guy so solve inflation.