Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Morning all, hope you are all having a fantastic day

In an attempt to help people understand, can we stick this?

Mod Edit: No linkdumps - warning issued

just a taste of MAGA racism following the MSG rally. Sort of a perfect microcosm where they feel emboldened to say something abhorrent and racist and then pretend like it was a joke and they “know-nothing” about what they actually said,

In this 2 minute exchange about the MSG rally, Mehdi Hasan is on a discussion on CNN when the MAGA person arguing beside him interjects to say “I hope your beeper doesn’t go off” and accuses him of being Hamas. Then what follows is the remainder of the clip all the other participants going over what he just said but him trying to poorly walk it back as some kind of trivial comment that doesn’t mean what everyone immediately knew it to mean.

Video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/Aco97U7Kln

Story:

Hasan opined that if people on the right did not want to be called “Nazis,” they refrain from statements and behaviors that could be construed as anti-Semitic.

Girdusky responded, “You’re called an anti-Semite more than anyone at this table.”

Hasan replied, “Yeah, by you.”

Girdusky fired back, “I never called you an anti-Semite.”

After Hasan said he was accustomed to being labeled an anti-Semite over his support for the Palestinian people, Girdusky said, “Well, I hope your beeper doesn’t go off.”

Girdusky attempted to keep speaking, but Hasan asked him, “Did you just say I should die? Did you just say I should be killed live on CNN?”

During a moment of crosstalk in which Girdusky denied wishing death on Hasan, the political commentator turned to Phillip and asked, “Did your guest just say I should be killed on live TV?”

Gidursky claimed he thought Hasan was a supporter of Hamas and offered an apology.

After Hasan denied any affiliation with Hamas, Girdusky said, “Then I apologize.”

Phillip turned to Gidursky and said, “Ryan, that is completely out of pocket.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-your-guest-just-say-i-should-be-killed-on-live-tv-mehdi-hasan-cant-believe-what-cnn-panelist-just-said-to-him/

There is a lot of cross talk the story doesn’t report in full that is in the video clip. However the cretin was booted off the show after it went to commercial.

“At least have the guts to support your racist comment” Mehdi challenged to him

Another panelist: “This is why yesterday’s rally was disgusting and outrageous. This is why! I never said Donald Trump is Hitler, but do you know who stood on a stage and said ‘I want to come to the Nazi rally?’ I don’t have to make up words! You’re saying it for yourself!”

which appears to be in reference to what Sid Rosenberg said on stage at the rally, per Newsweek:

"I just got back from Israel about two weeks ago. They love Trump in Israel. Just you know, they love him," radio personality Sid Rosenberg said.

"I get back and they go, 'Sid, you want to speak at this MSG thing?' I go, 'Sure—out of character for me to speak at a Nazi rally. I was just in Israel.' But I took the gig."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-new-york-madison-rally-shocking-racist-vulgar-comments-jokes-1975718

In essence, the rally gave his supporters “permission” to be more vulgar and more racist. Gidursky is one of the first to find out that permission is illusory and they are not in good company, I can only hope, outside their ‘Nazi bubble’

Edit: CNN has banned Gidursky from the network. I hope they trespassed him too.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/cnn-bans-ryan-girdusky-mehdi-hasan-beeper-go-off-abby-phillip-rcna177566

Chris Cuomo’s bread is buttered by right wing News Nation these days. are you going to try and summarize his paid turd polishing?

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/newsnation-jennifer-lyon-nexstar-bias-1234926851/

Jennifer Lyons, the WGN-TV Chicago news veteran who led the launch of the primetime “NewsNation” block last September, has resigned her post as VP of news. That follows several lower-level departures last week that appear to have been prompted by concerns that former Fox News executive Bill Shine is leading a charge to steer the channel to the right

Firstly, MAGA has no problem with old candidates if they're named Donald J Trump. Age was only a stick to beat Biden with, and they're really not bothered if you find that stance to be hypocritical.

Secondly, Trump was able to grow his voter base by 10 million in 2020. This tells us that Trumpism has been able to overcome that problem, if it was a factor.

And since Trump is heavily doing the podcast circuit, it tells us that his campaign is aiming for a youth turnout, not relying on the aged.

And maybe people will just end up getting fed up of Trump as he moves into his eighties, but given how many times rumours of his political demise have been greatly exaggerated, maybe not, and what then?

Hoping he and his followers will just go away isn't a particularly encouraging piece of political thought.

Because everyone attending would have course known those salient facts when he said what he said.

Gotcha!

What is this video about?

What does he say?

What is your opinion on what is said?

It matters of course in that sense, whoever holds the presidency is of course consequential and you correctly point out the chaos of his last attempt.

It seems though that the US is so fundamentally and evenly divided, that a Trumpist win is inevitable - this time or next. There isn't even a nascent movement to recentre the republicans, so it's coming.

It’s an explanation of why rational, sane, and reasonable people would support Mr Trump.

He explains why rational, sane, and reasonable people would support Mr Trump.

I don’t have an opinion on what was said, my interpretation of his explanation on why rational, sane, and reasonable people would support Mr Trump is that this is a rational, sane and reasonable explanation.

It remains to be seen. 3 years ago, I thought it would be this term, and it may be DeSantis. But he never commanded attention outside of Florida anything like Trump did. Maybe because of Trump himself still being on the scene, but I think he has shot his shot. I can't see him coming back and people thinking differently of him.

Likewise, I can't see Vivek Ramaswamy crossing the divide from being an appealing outsider to a viable candidate. JD Vance could still be in with a shout given his financial backers and the fact that if Trump loses, it will still be mostly on him rather than Vance.

What I'm hoping is, (fingers crossed kinda way rather than any real expectation) is that once Trump really is off the scene (pray to God it is sooner rather than later) that traditional style Republicans will put pressure on the radicals to step back and step down. But, being honest, I'm not too hopeful of that.

McConnell, McCarthy are off the scene. Romney will be before long. The first 2 tolerated Trump rather than liked him. Graham isn't that much of an influencer I feel. Cruz remains to be seen, he doesn't have the strength to carry off Trumpism, but he could be a voice against it if he knows Trump is gone. Marco Rubio is still capable of being a Trump surrogate, but I think he has been on the scene too long without being particularly noteworthy so not sure that will change.

There is a part of me that feels that Trumpism has to be seen to have failed to push that mindset back 20 years. I definitely feel that that should have been the case after 2020. But here we are. Hopefully we can have this conversation in more earnest starting next week.

I would actually say there's no rational about voting for a person who started an insurrection cause his ego couldn't cope with the loss....

Is it though? It might make some basic sense, ie people want things to change, but it is neither logical nor reasonable.

Trump was already president and did nothing to deal with the virus, as Cuomo claims these people want. So, while I can understand why these people want things to change, why pick Trump? He failed on all his promises last time, so much so that two of his lead promises in 2016, repealing Obamacare and building the wall, are now completely absent from 2024.

It is more than just dealing with a badly run government. At its core, it has always been about racism. For many, it's not outright racism, they have nothing against blacks or Latinos, but they just want things to go back to where Whites were undeniably in charge. That minorities were great but knew their place. They want to return to a time when everything was better (for them).

Unfortunately, they see the problem as with other people, rather than with people like Trump. He is one of the elites avoiding paying his taxes, ripping people off through the power of money in the legal system. Using his company size to give him advantages over the little guy (lower interest rates on loans because he can manipulate his assets). What many don't see is that far from the solution Trump has actively been part of their problem (not directly for most but his type).

They are mostly sane, you unfortunately get insane people everywhere, but on the whole, they are neither insane nor uneducated. But their choice of Trump to deal with their concerns is neither logical nor reasonable.

There isn't even a nascent movement to recentre the republicans, so it's coming.

Cheney and Kinzinger would disagree

Given that the post responded to a poster who couldn’t be bothered to watch the 53 second clip I believe the repetitive nature of the responses were in line with the spirit of the questions.

I watched it, it doesn't make Trump a rational choice. You could apply the exact same logic to justify the election of any tyrant in history. Dissatisfied voter wants change, their choice of candidate is dodgy but sure isn't all of politics dodgy. But the reality is Trump's shadier than most politicians, he's been recently convicted and appears to have a dodgy relationship with a tyrant who has invaded Ukraine. So that's not the kind of person to drain a swamp, he's a great choice for making it far worse though.