Israel are going to start WWIII

The whole Israeli, “Hamas is an Iranian proxy” narrative is parroted unquestioningly by media despite Iran and Hamas taking different sides in the Syrian Civil War.

I see Ehud Olmert and Yasser Arafat's nephew attended a conference in London where they spoke about a peace plan they both devised. Fair play to Olmert he said Israelis need to have the courage to say they will never have security and peace in the absence of a two state solution. Israel needs more people like Gideon Levy and Olmert to speak out against the current Israeli Government.

Israel is digging itself into a very deep hole with this. A huge own-goal for sure. The US doesn't like it and they need them onside.

I believe this is part of the plan to continue to reduce the number of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Having destroyed the majority of building and infrastructure, including medical facilities, the time is ripe (with winter on the way) to ensure as many inhabitants as possible will simply die from their wounds, sickness or starvation.

I read back my own post on Stanton's 10 stages of genocide (post #4564 on page 92). The more I read it, the more I firmly believe Israel ticks all 10 stages. There is no doubt in my mind that this is Genocide by Israel.

A post recently contrasted the pro-Israeli line "Palestinians in Gaza are responsible for what Hamas have done because they voted for them" with the fact that Israelis, by supporting their government, are equally complicit in the action of their Government they voted for.

The longer this goes on without Israelis protesting fully against this Govt., it seems it will be more likely they will be seen to be complicit in this Genocide.

The utterly horrific term 'Final solution' has surely been uttered by members of the Israeli government.

Of course they would know the history of the term. But this is what they are doing. As long as there is a Gaza the zionist project is incomplete. When Gaza is gone, the west bank is next. They are doing gods work, and the god of the Torah and Old Testament was a vicious genocidal one

They are bombing buildings with journalists in them now

a 9 year old child was shot by the IDF he was throwing stones at an IDF convoy

Read any news article about the attack on Iran

It was aimed at targets in order to cause minimal damage and minimal casualties in contrast to the bombing in Lebanon

Eg they don't want to start a war with Iran

When Iran attacked 12 missiles hit a target in Israel eg the iron dome is not perfect

same as in america. the israelis has the 'labour friends of israel' in the uk, and AIPAC in america. Both funnel millions in 'donations' to politicians, while in return they support billions of pounds/dollars of weapons supplied to israel. a very cozy setup.

I'm convinced there is something dodgy going on here. Their absolute refusal to call Israel out, even in the very mildest of terms is striking. Even the British right wing press is nowhere near as pro-Netanyahu as this.

I'm relieved at least to see some Labour MPs in the Commons calling out Israel's actions. But there are serious question marks about Starmer in particular and some of the leading members of his cabinet.

How can you say that it is not true? It's there in black and white. What should Israel do when they are attacked?

No, Israel just like every country in the world is guilty of some wrong-doing. That doesn't mean that it should just sit back and let terrorists destroy them.

You need to have a chat with some of your allies. According to them, Hamas doesn't use the open spaces. Take a look at the posts from yesterday to see them. Have a little chat among yourselves and decided whether they use those open spaces or not.

No one has said Israel doesnt have the right to self defense, however Israel is acting the aggressor, it is enacting ethnic cleansing at best and a genocide at worst.

What should Palestinians do when they are attacked? Lie down and take it? Retaliate? (FWIW - I condemn the oct 7th attacks, the taking of hostages and murders - same as I condemn Israel for the indiscriminate murders of civilians, including their own hostages, their dehumanisation of a ethnic group, the kidnapping of Palestinians and multiple other breaches of International law - such as settlements. What do you think of the below events prior to Oct 7th. I could pull 10's if not 100's of examples. This did not happen in a vacuum and Palestinians deserve peace as much as Israeli's do.

• March 2023 ;The Huwara pogram.

Israeli settlers destroyed Palestinian homes, livelihoods, and lives. In the worst settler attacks in decades, nearly 300 Israeli settlers rampaged through the Palestinian villages of Huwara, Zatara, and Burin, burning homes to the ground, lighting vehicles on fire, and injuring 350 Palestinians. Throughout, the Israeli military stood by and watched the settler violence, and even prevented ambulances and medics from treating the injured, making it indisputably clear that the Israeli settler movement is supported and enabled by the Israeli state.

- 8th March 2023 ; Intent; Government official Bezalel Smotrich, calls for the destruction of the Palestinian village of Huwara. But Smotrich is simply saying out loud longstanding de-facto Israeli government policy is to try wipe Palestinians off the map.

- 21st June 2023; The Israeli Cabinet gives Bezalel Smotrich sole power to construct 4,500 new illegal settlements on Palestinian land.The next day, the Israeli military murders six Palestinians.

• July 7th; The largest raid in the West Bank in 20 years. Israeli military launches the largest raid in a West Bank city in over 20 years. It raided Jenin hospital, bombed Jenin refugee camp, and shot at journalists — all war crimes

Of genocide? That's up to the ICJ to decide, although a lot of people feel confident that it meets the criteria.

Guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity?

On many, many occasions, yes.

Totally agree with you re: my authority. It doesn't matter a jot. Ditto for you and the claims that you and others are making re: Israel. Is it possible that they are never going to be brought to book for it because they are not guilty? Are the charges just another attempt by the West to bully Israel?