It seems like a Jewish right wing are determined to start a Middle East war and WWIII . Israel is the equivalent of a Fascist state and it’s time to call them out as such .
What I simply cannot believe is how any nation purporting to be a "democracy" can continue to do this knowing, that at some point, they will surely face justice. Israel continues to live up to what the world sees it as - a terrorist, genocidal State.
So all but one medics have been detained and all the patients within the hospital are now dead/dying. This is monstrous.
This is an update on what happened at Kamal Adwan hospital as reported last Friday:
Only one doctor remains at Gaza's Kamal Adwan Hospital following a days-long Israeli raid, a spokesman for the Hamas-run health ministry has said.
In a video statement, Dr Khalil Daqran urged international organisations to send medical staff to the hospital in the north of the strip, saying patients there were bleeding to death for lack of proper care.
On Monday, Israel said its forces had detained about 100 "terrorists" at the hospital before withdrawing.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the hospital, inside Jabalia refugee camp, had been used by Hamas - claims denied by local health officials.
Mr Daqran said: "Two days ago, the army stormed Kamal Adwan Hospital, causing widespread destruction: setting large parts on fire, destroying the hospital’s entrances, and demolishing surrounding walls.
"Patients and medical staff were assaulted, with many patients and companions arrested, along with most of the medical staff.
"The fate of 30 medical personnel remains unknown.
"The army has removed the hospital from service entirely, destroying all its contents. There are now no medicines, medical supplies or food within the hospital."
The whole Israeli, “Hamas is an Iranian proxy” narrative is parroted unquestioningly by media despite Iran and Hamas taking different sides in the Syrian Civil War.
The Israeli rules of war are really the lowest of the low. They are beyond despicable. They are probably the most cowardly and sadistic army ever in modern warfare. I would be utterly ashamed as an Israeli citizen. For warfare, read slaughter of innocents.
Only muslims though so the west will not act and some don't care.
I see Ehud Olmert and Yasser Arafat's nephew attended a conference in London where they spoke about a peace plan they both devised. Fair play to Olmert he said Israelis need to have the courage to say they will never have security and peace in the absence of a two state solution. Israel needs more people like Gideon Levy and Olmert to speak out against the current Israeli Government.
Israel should be expelled from the UN but the US and the UK will veto any such motion
Israel is digging itself into a very deep hole with this. A huge own-goal for sure. The US doesn't like it and they need them onside.
In the UK, the Labour party are debasing themselves to prop up Israel and Israeli actions
I believe this is part of the plan to continue to reduce the number of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
Having destroyed the majority of building and infrastructure, including medical facilities, the time is ripe (with winter on the way) to ensure as many inhabitants as possible will simply die from their wounds, sickness or starvation.
I read back my own post on Stanton's 10 stages of genocide (post #4564 on page 92). The more I read it, the more I firmly believe Israel ticks all 10 stages. There is no doubt in my mind that this is Genocide by Israel.
A post recently contrasted the pro-Israeli line "Palestinians in Gaza are responsible for what Hamas have done because they voted for them" with the fact that Israelis, by supporting their government, are equally complicit in the action of their Government they voted for.
The longer this goes on without Israelis protesting fully against this Govt., it seems it will be more likely they will be seen to be complicit in this Genocide.
I hope that for the poor Iranian workers sake, that none of them are being assigned to monitor the some of the rubbish getting posted on here.
The utterly horrific term 'Final solution' has surely been uttered by members of the Israeli government.
Of course they would know the history of the term. But this is what they are doing. As long as there is a Gaza the zionist project is incomplete. When Gaza is gone, the west bank is next. They are doing gods work, and the god of the Torah and Old Testament was a vicious genocidal one
What have the Zionists and Netanyahu got on UK Labour? There's something very peculiar going on here ; even the Conservatives were nowhere near as compromised in their relationship with Israel.
They are bombing buildings with journalists in them now
a 9 year old child was shot by the IDF he was throwing stones at an IDF convoy
Read any news article about the attack on Iran
It was aimed at targets in order to cause minimal damage and minimal casualties in contrast to the bombing in Lebanon
Eg they don't want to start a war with Iran
When Iran attacked 12 missiles hit a target in Israel eg the iron dome is not perfect
Starmer owes the Israeli lobby for fabricating the antisemitism allegations which resulted in the removal of Corbyn. There is a Labour politician who proudly displays photos of her IDF service, Israeli flag and assault rifle in hand, across social media. Would an ex Iranian, Russian, Lebanese soldier and current UK politician be permitted to do this?
same as in america. the israelis has the 'labour friends of israel' in the uk, and AIPAC in america. Both funnel millions in 'donations' to politicians, while in return they support billions of pounds/dollars of weapons supplied to israel. a very cozy setup.
When you consider that Labour was a left wing, social justice party for most of its existence with its roots in trade unionism, its current rock solid support for Netanyahu (a far right leader) and the IDF is really hard to comprehend.
I'm convinced there is something dodgy going on here. Their absolute refusal to call Israel out, even in the very mildest of terms is striking. Even the British right wing press is nowhere near as pro-Netanyahu as this.
I wouldn't call it rock solid. They stopped some arms exports. And they have very vocal critics of israel within the party. And I think I'm right when I say some of them are in the cabinet.
But yeah, as a whole, they should be doing more.
I'm relieved at least to see some Labour MPs in the Commons calling out Israel's actions. But there are serious question marks about Starmer in particular and some of the leading members of his cabinet.
Corbyn was ousted by the pro-isreal lobby. Starmer does not want to suffer the same fate.
Sadly, a conservative approach to Israel is the safer option even despite the current genocide that they're undertaking.
Starmer is appeasing the Biden admininistration, the potential Trump administration, and the pro-israel lobby within the UK establishment
The people of gaza simply do not have as much power
How can you say that it is not true? It's there in black and white. What should Israel do when they are attacked?
Israel has been accused of the above. Does that make them guilty? The war crimes and genocide claims are just complete and utter nonsense and an insult to people who have been subject to war crimes and genocide in the past. Innocent people die in wars. It happens. As I said before, Israel will be cleared when the war is over.
No, Israel just like every country in the world is guilty of some wrong-doing. That doesn't mean that it should just sit back and let terrorists destroy them.
Hamas is little more than a poorly armed militia of around 30,000 men. Saying its intention is to 'wipe Israel off the map' is a load of hot air which nobody believes or pays any attention to. On its worst day of terrorism, it managed to kill just over 1000 Israeli people and that was an operation which had been planned for two years.
You need to have a chat with some of your allies. According to them, Hamas doesn't use the open spaces. Take a look at the posts from yesterday to see them. Have a little chat among yourselves and decided whether they use those open spaces or not.
The people saying Israel is committing war crimes (and I think one of the UN people mentioned "crimes against humanity" recently as well) have more authority than you popping up + saying it is all "utter nonsense".
Israel will probably never be brought to book for it, but they won't be "cleared" either. Getting away scot free with crimes like that isn't much for a country/people to be proud of, just IMO of course, your opinion may differ.
You can bully people to shut up and stop saying stuff you don't want to hear (following examples of other nations with a genocide on their books), but you can't/won't be able to reach into peoples heads and force them to stop thinking Israel got away with murder.
No one has said Israel doesnt have the right to self defense, however Israel is acting the aggressor, it is enacting ethnic cleansing at best and a genocide at worst.
What should Palestinians do when they are attacked? Lie down and take it? Retaliate? (FWIW - I condemn the oct 7th attacks, the taking of hostages and murders - same as I condemn Israel for the indiscriminate murders of civilians, including their own hostages, their dehumanisation of a ethnic group, the kidnapping of Palestinians and multiple other breaches of International law - such as settlements. What do you think of the below events prior to Oct 7th. I could pull 10's if not 100's of examples. This did not happen in a vacuum and Palestinians deserve peace as much as Israeli's do.
Israeli settlers destroyed Palestinian homes, livelihoods, and lives. In the worst settler attacks in decades, nearly 300 Israeli settlers rampaged through the Palestinian villages of Huwara, Zatara, and Burin, burning homes to the ground, lighting vehicles on fire, and injuring 350 Palestinians. Throughout, the Israeli military stood by and watched the settler violence, and even prevented ambulances and medics from treating the injured, making it indisputably clear that the Israeli settler movement is supported and enabled by the Israeli state.
- 8th March 2023 ; Intent; Government official Bezalel Smotrich, calls for the destruction of the Palestinian village of Huwara. But Smotrich is simply saying out loud longstanding de-facto Israeli government policy is to try wipe Palestinians off the map.
- 21st June 2023; The Israeli Cabinet gives Bezalel Smotrich sole power to construct 4,500 new illegal settlements on Palestinian land.The next day, the Israeli military murders six Palestinians.
Labour Friends of Israel.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Friends_of_Israel Quite the list
Of genocide? That's up to the ICJ to decide, although a lot of people feel confident that it meets the criteria.
Guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity?
On many, many occasions, yes.
I don't agree with you on that. Those 30,000 men believe in and live by that covenant. I don't doubt that for one second. Looks back at the coverage of October 7th and pay attention to the comments that were passed just before they entered Israel. Their commitment to the covenant was clear for all to see.
PS: I've added the below for the record.
Totally agree with you re: my authority. It doesn't matter a jot. Ditto for you and the claims that you and others are making re: Israel. Is it possible that they are never going to be brought to book for it because they are not guilty? Are the charges just another attempt by the West to bully Israel?
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