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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    And the child in his statement said that he had told SF the previous Wednesday (not for the first time) that he was 16.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Absolutely lacking in credibility. However, there is one possible explanation for them not knowing and that is that their child protection policy is so bad that they never asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,726 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That’s not what’s happening, and you know this.

    And I’m not close to a SF supporter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I know, they referred BS allegation to the Gardai. Which they never should have done. If BS wanted to make a complaint to the Gardai then that's up to him and it seems he didn't want to make a complaint since he didn't bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭rdwight


    "Text messages given to the inquiry show she told Mr Stanley that she deserved “compensation” for the “emotional trauma” he put her through on the Wednesday night and demanded that if he left €60,000 in cash divided in six envelopes in her letter box she “will not pursue things further”.

    Mr Stanley replied in a text: “God [name redacted]. You know I would never do anything wrong on you. I never would never ever do that. And for me it’s just friendship. That is all we always had a good working relationship. Please this as been [sic] totally honest.”

    The woman responded: “I have nothing else to say. I will consider not sharing what happened as long as you compensate for the emotional damage. Do not contact me again.”

    He apologised in a further text, saying: “I sorry [sic] if I caused that but god [name redacted] you know me long enough to know that I’m genuine. And I’m really sorry and I mean that. Please accept that [name redacted].”

    Referring to the messages exchanged between the woman and Mr Stanley, the inquiry found in the draft report that “any reasonable assessment lends credence to the complainant’s narrative of events. The threads speak to a complainant that is adamant that something serious happened and a respondent who is apologetic until the last text ...

    “At no point does the respondent [Mr Stanley] refute that something serious happened or question what the complainant is referring to [as might be expected if the respondent’s narrative of events is true].

    “All of which, in the panel’s view, lends credence to the complainant and not the respondent.”

    Above is an extract from Irish Times story on Stanley affair this morning. The inquiry's conclusion giving credence to the woman rather than Stanley on the basis of the texts quoted seems a bit of a stretch. If I received "unwise, idiotic and ill-judged" (her later words) texts demanding money I would be very careful how I replied. My first instinct wouldn't necessarily be to refute the claim but to calm things down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭rdwight


    50 years after Sunningdale and 25 years after the IRA stopped murdering people it is clear that it will be demographics that deliver a United Ireland. All the murdering and bombing didn't move it forward a single day; it probably delayed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭rdwight


    deleting - didn't capture quote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭rdwight


    There was a massive reaction in the south to Bloody Sunday. According to Wikipedia the general strike that took place was the "the biggest in Europe since the Second World War relative to population". The Irish Times described the demonstration on the national day of mourning as “the biggest demonstration the Republic has seen in a generation”.

    Whatever about Wikipedia, I can vouch for the demonstration being massive as I was standing twenty yards from the embassy building when a couple of men climbed on the balconies and threw petrol bombs through the windows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It's not the first time, SF supporters seem to think that no matter what SF do they should defend the party and its members

    You had people defending Gerry and Liam Adams over the abuse of a child.

    It's really weird stuff, you are right



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    This is still what I don’t get. If suffering questionable happened then the woman is entitled to compensation and there are legitimate routes to investigating and arriving at a value for compensation if it’s deemed it’s necessary. Jumping straight to a demand for compensation in a very organised way isn’t putting the woman in a good light. From the first time I read BS’s response over the weekend it looks very much like a person who is being accused in the wrong and trying to calm the figuration and reassure the other party. Coming to a conclusion where BS is somehow guilty seems like a stretch, unless you want that outcome of course.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    For some reason, Im not sure why, they still think Pearse doing the faux outrage performance on every topic is something that people want to see. At some stage you would think someone would turn around and say "maybe cut it out for a few weeks and see how it goes?"

    The angry supporters online, well why would any other party in Ireland need an online supporters group? just leave it to the SF ones to drive them away from the party.

    Honestly you would question a party with so much money, which is clearly been massively spent to win an election, that one of them wouldn't have the cop on to review their online supporters and also the method their TD's are using in interviews etc. Starting with Pearse and tell him to give it a f**king rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Went to see Agreement - a play about the lead up to signing the GFA. It was produced by the Lyric Theatre in Belfast, the north’s ‘national theatre’ as ir were.
    It represents therefore how history will remember those events and who achieved what and SF and Adams come out of it well. Very clear that they achieved massively for their people. If you open your eyes you will see Unionists are still trying to destroy it and failing.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Outrage is fine if you want to emphasise an issue but it’s Pearse’s default setting. After a while people stop taking notice and realise he comes across as a clown. What I don’t like either is that all his little diatribes are mostly in English but with a quarter to a third as Gaelige to get his snout on Nuacht. He’s a horrible waste of space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Yes, SF. And not the party in government in the south who's supprters don't want a United Ireland. It's all SF as to why it hasn't happened. 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Ahh the whole ripping the mask off in the Dail(temp and all) during covid was when majoirty of people stopped taking him serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    More made up comments.

    The polls have been done and the people want it without additional taxes

    The biggest problem with a United Ireland at the moment is money and SF.

    The government cross border projects are perfect to build thrust the longer SF are a million miles away from them the better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    A woman goes to a man in a position of power and asks him to help her find a job. The man agrees and says he's happy to help her. The man invites her back to his hotel room as she has no where else to stay and there's a understanding it just as friends. The woman suggests putting pillows in the bed between them because it will make her feel safer and more secure. He agrees but then asks her can he remove the pillows as his back is sore. The man then proceeds to ask the woman if they can cuddle "as friends". He does all of this wearing only his boxer shorts.

    I have to say, it's absolutely wild that many posters on this thread see absolutely nothing wrong with what this man did and feel he has been unfairly punished.

    This case reminds me of when FG TD Tom Barry grabbed him colleague and in the Daik chamber onto his lap. Enda Kenny and FG refused to sack him. Funnily enough even Tom himself admitted he should be fired, but Enda and the boys felt different. Again, absolutely wild that FG felt that there's nothing wrong with that kind of behaviour in work and to a work colleague. It seems attitudes haven't changed at all in the last 10 years within some political parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    The polls have been done and the majority of FG members don't want a United Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭Vexorg


    Could you post a link to these polls, when the polls were conducted, number of participants, methodology etc. It would be interesting to compare a few of them to see the trends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    A UI is a non controversial topic in the South.

    SF supporters invent this so called resistance because they want to make their mouth breather supporter base think they’re doing something useful on the topic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    A UI is a non controversial topic in Ireland before a campaign kicks off. The major parties are aligned on it. It just isn’t mentioned every 5 minutes because it doesn’t need to be. SF supporters thinking cheering on the PIRA campaign followed by “prepare for unity” tweets is not advancing the cause.

    I’ll say it again but it is wild that there is this attachment to the Sinn Féin banner, something founded as a dual monarchy party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    I agree. But the reality is FG supprters don't want a United Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭almostover


    I voted FG in the last 3 elections, also would vote for an United Ireland too if rigorous forethought and planning went into the referendum campaign. Pretty much all of the main political parties in the Dáil are pro-unity in one form or another.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    That’s a bit of a generalisation there. FG supporters, or any other normal party support base are not some homogenous group with the exact same thoughts and aims. I can see why this might be viewed like this from the SF point of view which is, at its core, a single issue party. Most voters, regardless of party affiliations or none do want to see a united ireland. The differences lie in how we get to that point. I do think most other party supporters would agree however that the SF approach of telling people a UI is happening tomorrow and we all should be preparing now for this great fait accompli is neither realistic or actually helpful to the goal of a UI.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    well you could say it’s an improvement… they used to drill holes in their kneecaps 😳



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭Vexorg


    "I haven't see any other polls on so can't comment on a trend"

    The post of yours that I replied to referred to polls (plural)

    It is not possible for me to look through the datasets as the link in the paper you supplied comparing the surveys does not work. I found some of the northern Ireland surveys but not the raw data so not sure if there are any obvious flaws to see if it is his interpretation of the data.

    If you are to accept that 57% of Fine Gael supporters do not support a United Ireland, then you must also accept falling support for unity in the republic from 2003 to 2019. The author suggests a drop from 71% in favour of unity to a bare majority, the chart looks like somewhere between 50 and 51%.

    You must also accept that 25% of Sinn Fein supporters in the Republic and 20% of Sinn Fein supporters in Northern Ireland are partitionists who long term support Northern Ireland remaining in the union.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Sorry, I'll clarify. The majority of FG supporters don't want a United Ireland. Personally I think telling people of a UI is an aspiration is ludicrous and is being quite insulting to everyone on the Island. Do feel free to quote where SF have said a UI is happening tomorrow? I've a strongly feeling you won't be doing that though.

    Even ex-DUP leader Peter Robsinson said in 2018 that preparations for a United Ireland should be happening, even though he felt it wasn't going to happen. In May this year, Wallace Thomas, founding member and former Special Advisor said he believes a United Ireland is "inevitable" and that other memebrs of the DUP agreed with him. I agree with him and I think not preparing for something that is very likely inevitable is a poor lack of planning. But that a core element of this current government.

    Yes, I do accept those figures. We've had a party in government for the last 14 years who's majority of supporters are against a United Ireland. We've FG party members on this forum and all over social media constantly posting doomsday scenarios about how Ireland will be bankrupt and everyone will be living on the breadline due to the tax increases that will need to happen to sustain a United Ireland. I'm not naive, I completely accept that pushing that narrative has very likely had a negative impact on support for a United Ireland within the Republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Have a read of this article detailing how Gerry Adams ignored how his brother had abused his own daughter from the age of four - it was only when details were aired on UTV in 2009 that Gerry admitted he knew about it and did nothing.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/liam-adams-death-daddy-made-me-sleep-with-him-words-that-sparked-decades-long-fight-for-justice/37854900.html

    Look at the 2017 Ard Fheis where they all cheer him and join him on stage. Mary Lou is there, Michelle O'Neill is there and Pearse Doherty is there - they didn't care about child protection or the rule of law back then, why should anyone think they've changed since?

    Adams was at this year's Ard Fheis and shown on RTE numerous times during Mary Lou's speech.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭Vexorg


    Can you post a few examples of Fine Gael party members posting that Ireland will be bankrupt and everyone will be living on the breadline due to tax increases?

    Do you agree that 25% of Sinn Fein supporters in the Republic and 20% of Sinn Fein supporters in Northern Ireland want partition and that Northern Ireland remains in the Union.



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