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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The charging operators can only really get data from the sites they already have, which is difficult to interpret at best

    For example if the charger at Clifden is always busy then that tells you there's demand in Clifden but it might be met by the current charger already

    The people who have the data needed are the car manufacturers and probably the likes of Google

    No doubt the CPOs are trying to plug into that analytics data to plan their network. If for example there's a bunch of Google searches for "EV chargers near me" from around Louisburgh in Mayo then that's an indication there's unmet demand in the area

    Well that's why the ZEVI scheme exists in the first place, to ensure there's chargers in areas there is need but not the business justification. I assume they have some priority order they're working off so we'll just have to see what areas are included in the next phase

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    While I'm all for public AC the question is who will use them. Locals can probably access home chargers, and tourists would be looking for a quick charge passing through or an overnight charge at their accomodation, so not much use for on street chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    90% of EV charging occurs at home according to the ESB. The other 10% - in places like Connemara - would mainly come from visitors who in the majority of cases would be Irish residents taking their EV on their holliers out west. Many of these visitors will in the future charge at the place they are staying and I'm sure some do already, again driving down demand for public chargers.

    Now, if you plan on doing a day trip then the need for a HPC might become necessary but again given many EV's are capable of 400pppkm the need might not be all that great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What % of EVs on the road can do 400km. Kinda ignoring all the older and small battery EVs with that.

    From personal experience 95% of my driving is from the home charger. But on the few occasions I've been on a long trip a public AC charger for a top up on a day trip has been useful to me now and then.

    Even at home I'll often top up for 30-50 mins because the car is just sitting there and its useful to shorten my charging time later, or handy in case of unexpected journey. But perhaps that's a small battery older EV habit.

    I just think let's not ignore cheap and cheerful because we can't get high speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Most of the driving in the barren wastelands/there be dragons/etc, will be at 80km/h or less due to the roads. So if drivers topped up to 80% or at the last HPC before driving off the map, a lot of those EVs could get 300+ more kms which would easily see them to the next HPC on their travels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    The problem is if you're touring around rural areas for a few days and can't charge at your accommodation. You'd need a charger somewhere along the way. Very very few places where this is an issue now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,741 ✭✭✭✭josip


    When I was younger there used to be a challenge to get from Finglas to Dundrum or similar without passing a pub.

    Maybe the modern day equivalent is a meaningful 300km route in Ireland that doesn't pass within 5km of a HPC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ideally you have charging at your accomodation but this isn't always the case

    A few months ago I was on holiday in Wales and the campsite didn't have any charging so was reliant on DC charging

    Thankfully there's a reasonable number of chargers around northern Wales now so wasn't any hassle

    You'd be surprised how quickly you'll go through 400km of range when doing a few day trips around the West, so having some decent charging options makes life much easier

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Same here when we moved to wexford first. Was staying in an Airbnb for a few weeks between sale of our house and closing on the new house. No charging in the airbnb (they were iffy about the amount of electricity and also the state of the wiring didnt inspire with confidence) so we relied on the one 50kW locally. In a 28kWh Ioniq for local runs that actually worked fine. But if that charger was OOO we were on scps for 4 hours. You'd always get a charge, even locally, if you have no destination charging, the problem is you may be waiting!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Perhaps then the strategy should be better provision of destination chargers. Make sure every hotel/pub in the desired areas have banks of low-power AC chargers that don't need extensive construction works to turn into a reality.

    Have used the Tesla destination chargers a few times and they've worked well when you're not in a rush somewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Businesses can already claim the cost of chargers against tax, shouldn't be any excuse for not installing them. Hotels in particular can benefit from having an extra pull for customers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    No brainer then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I haven't used many hotel chargers yet but many I've seen are managed by a CPO, so yet another app to download

    I think there's an EU directive coming into force which says they have to allow on the spot payment without registering an account.

    It doesn't need to be a card reader, a QR code linking to a payment portal is sufficient as I recall

    Personally I'd be happy enough if there was a single card terminal for a bank of several chargers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I've seen pinergy chargers at the Celtic Ross in West Cork.



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Needed to download the Epower app today, to use the chargers at Fota Island Resort in Cork. No complaints with the charger, it worked very well. Pricey though, and had to give my email address and phone number which is bullshit. Imagine being asked for your email address and phone number to use a petrol pump🤔



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Forgot, to register obviously you need your name and address too. No wonder folks are reluctant to make the change.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Sure option to register for lower rates/ whatever

    But tap to pay or whatever should be mandatory, at least on fast charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    The 231 62kw Leaf i have only charges around 3.6KV on home 7kv charger

    Am I right to say that regardless of the power of any public AC charger that this is the max rate the car can take for AC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It should charge at 7kw max at home. This is the max AC it can charge at.

    https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/leaf-range-and-charging.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I am green so bear with me ,I taught that there are 2 different model leafs a 3.6 and 7 kv charge rate. So you have the lower capacity charge .

    Is this your 1st electric car ,what are your taughts ,i am thinking switching to one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Should be 7kW. You might be using a 16A cable so that's the limiting factor.

    Did you have a PHEV beforehand and are using the same cable as before?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    The 2 different models are the 40kw and 62kw batteries.

    I think it's a good car. Even better now that the price has dropped due to people crying that chademo(it's DC charging type) isn't as plentiful at public charging points as CCS.

    If you have facility to charge at home, that's not really a worry. Rare enough I need the charging network but with work from home and midland base it helps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    When I say 7kw I mean 6.6 kW on a leaf. I assume all EU spec Leafs have a onboard 6.6kw AC charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,176 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Older models might have a slower charger. But he asked about the current model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,990 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Templeville Road Circle K 50kw charger is gone.

    So if you live in Terenure, Templeogue, Rathgar, Rathmines or Ranelagh you no longer have access to this. You do have a single 22kw in Rathmines, but that's in a Tesco car park where you have to pay the parking charges on top of the ESB rates. Also in Ranelagh there is a 22kw ESB on Chelmsford road, also with Dublin city council parking rates, so that will sting.

    I'll be asking a few questions to any politician who's coming to my door looking for votes.

    Post edited by mfceiling on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Any word on whether it's slated for replacement?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 outlyer


    I wonder if this is the start of Circle K dumping ESB as site renewal comes up and installing their own kit. A single charger isn't something I'd be inclined to depend on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Daveq


    Circle K Newlands Cross charger gone too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Quite possibly yes, although they've been happy enough to coexist so far. Taking Clonsaugh as an example they're at least waiting until their own chargers are in place before giving Ecars the boot

    Maybe circumstances were different here, Circle K might be planning to reuse the spaces, or perhaps Ecars weren't interested in a short lease

    Could also be the unit is forked and had to be taken away for repairs

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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