Missing 8yr Old Kyran Durnin - presumed dead *READ Mod Note Added to OP*

I'm sure they could prosecute someone without a body, but it would make it much more difficult to secure a conviction without one.

Im not optimistic anything will happen. Nobody was ever charged with anything over the Kerry Babies in spite of them having both a body and in the past couple of years establishing the identity of the parents.

What about the Family Law Courts? Father has been granted custody, but has not received custody. Surely they can Order the mother to appear and explain why? And if there's no cooperation.........well Enoch Burke has been in jail for not cooperating with the civil courts.

The Father was granted custody, which he wouldn't have bothered unless he wanted the child. The court also wouldn't have granted it if he wasn't suitable. She fled two days prior to the handover.

Well Kyran's father wanted him and the court awarding him, would deem him suitable

I would hope the other father(s) would want their kids safe, how many other kids and fathers are there?

Torture has been proven time and time again to be completely useless when it comes to solving crime. Torture someone enough they'll admit to being Jack the ripper. What happens then? They admit the crime case solved and the real criminal goes free. Look up the Guildford 4 for example to see what police coercion achieves.

Are you sure about that ?

Not necessarily. She's in England anyway. So applying for some kind of extradition isn't possible right now with....nothing to put to her.

Yes, absolutely, a fair assumption to be suspicious. But to be able to extradite, charge and convict someone when this child could be gone 2 years, and the guards were only notified 7 weeks ago would be a bit sloppy no?

I'd have thought there's so many "outs" for her to be drilled down first. An absolute fine tooth comb of Tusla and statements from staff etc and really nail down specific dates, who was saying what and who truthfully believed what.

For all we know, she could turn round and say "sure I brought him on (insert recent date this year here) and Tusla saw him, fine and happy" when in actual fact he may have been killed years before or shortly after that.

She could also come up with some bizarre story of handing him to a relative in England in (insert date here) and tally it up with when she last legitimately presented him to Tusla. An absolute off the wall story, but difficult to assume then and guarantee murder. The guards would be sitting there with nothing to refute her claim.

Countless eggs need to be cracked here to have any chance of proceeding to a desired result imo. And in addition, an absolute forensic analyst of what Tusla staff knew, didn't know, did and didn't do. Not only to pin down the person responsible in a criminal investigation, but also to discover and hold accountable anyone in Tusla who was unprofessional on their end or simply ticking boxes.

Imo staff were meeting a child and they were either 1) genuinely thought it was him (which would be unprofessional if they had met him on occasion before this) or 2) were simply going through motions and either (a) ticking a box without physically seeing him or (B) were presented with a child but were incompetent in not recognising it wasn't him.

It stinks somewhere that after several years, they go to the guards 7 weeks ago. Plenty of opportunity to change timelines/accounts/stories in order to cover arse. I'm sure there was no active, deliberate mistake. But someone in there be it one individual or serval got lax and will be in a panic. And it's difficult to not take anything that they'd say with a pinch of salt. Of course they're going to say they followed x,y,z. But with the passage of time and their delay in reporting it, it'd be harder to disprove.

Tusla only coming out weeks ago after possible years is a huge red flag imo. And people can be untruthful when it comes to accounts and blame imo. Varying accounts and "well, I did this" muddies the water so that there's a big haze there.

I don't think you are going to get your head around this case, when the truth emerges, by looking at it from the prism of a caring mother/non dysfunctional family.

Amazing. A young boys existence wiped out without any fuss. The mother more than likely gave a no comment interview. Posters on here making excuses for the garda not charging her. Disgusting.

We have the same posters criticising tusla. They didnt kill the child.

What about the grandmother? Who said she saw the child alive at the end of August? Mental health excuse slso?

Mental health my hoop. Some people just dont want to admit that mothers can be pure evil and commit horrible crimes like this. Always an excuse.

How do a mother and grandmother lose a child. Thats the more pertinent question.

Did anyone actually read the article??? It's not his case notes that were lost.

"A Tusla spokeswoman said: “A system used by some staff in this regional area was not restored following the cyber ­attack, as it was based on old technology.

“However, this was not the system of record for case notes and isn’t relevant to the internal review under way.”

They do have backups. Tusla also has a brand new paperless system where they can see who looked at and adjusted the file.

One problem I foresee is that Tusla employees treat their system like Facebook. They all have unrestricted access ("just in case") and consequently you'll find that dozens of people are accessing the files for idle gossip purposes, so loads of data will need to be reviewed rather that the 2-3 individuals who held the case.

Not relevant.