Missing 8yr Old Kyran Durnin - presumed dead *READ Mod Note Added to OP*

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752733#Comment_122752733

What we know is that:

The mother was impregnated when she was 15/16, and that has legal meaning (even if no court action is taken about it).

The father (his age is irrelevant) has been seeking custody for only the last two years.

Authorities believe the child may have been killed as long as two years ago.

Something happened two years ago. It could have been an act by the mother, or a member of the extended family or - my personal GUESS - the mother's partner at the time, and this make Kryan unavailable to be seen. Maybe this is what prompted the father to start seeking court access, maybe not.

It's naive to expect this to be easily resolved: pretty much everyone will be lying. If they've taken enough substances in the meantime, they won't even necessarily know what's true. Even if someone tells the truth, it may not be recognised as the truth.

CreadanLady

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hamburgham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749057#Comment_122749057

And likewise adoption. Many children rared happily by adoptive parents despite the narrative that it was a terrible thing. Many children had far better lives than they would otherwise have had.

event

Everyone who seems to be using mental health as an excuse for the mother. Maybe thats true, maybe she didnt know what she was doing and all the other excuses.

But why hasnt she told the guards where his body is?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756884#Comment_122756884

Hard to believe she didn't realise it wasn't Kyran that she was telling to pretend to be Kyran when Tusla wanted to see Kyran.

She knew damn well. Mental health is just the fashionable get out of jail free card

NIMAN

Is the mum still walking about freely in the UK?

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754624#Comment_122754624

If you could explain how you would manage that with a child that may be dead and buried at the time you think it would be easy to lay eyes on them.

yourdeadwright

Crazy to think in Ireland 2024 an 8 year old kid can be possible dead for 2 years without anyone knowing about it,

You just hope that the people involved let the kid have proper burial now & some how things can be put in place to stop this happing again , No child deserves such a faith

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754927#Comment_122754927

Is it know if the father sought custody before or after Kyran was last seen ?

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756003#Comment_122756003

There is no narrative that adoption was a terrible thing.

What was terrible were the forced adoptions, adoptions illegal under the laws at the time, adoptions without proper records kept, babies registered with false parents on their birth certificates, baby trafficking. And all the attempts over the decades to frustrate birth parents and adult adopted children from contacting each other where they both desired contact.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754119#Comment_122754119

Did you read the article or just search it for trigger words? Did you mistakenly assume she was referring to society?

She said the prison service is a male dominated patriarchy. After 25 years working there I think she knows more about it than either of us.

Gusser09

Just looking at the deirdre McGinley/ Morley case on youtube. Mad to think she can seek to be realeased from the CMH within 5 years of sentencing. Thats a few years from now. She is also seeking to be released into an assisted living complex.

How do these people live with knowing they wiped their family out? Especially if they are now sane and understand their actions at the time. Do they just say to themselves " oh i was insane at the time so its ok"

Large bottle small glass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756003#Comment_122756003

Adoption and fostering are night and day.

We would have loved to adopt at one stage, and afterwards we looked at fostering. There is close to none or very little adoption currently

The stories from other experienced foster parents and the level of dysfunction you can encounter we didn't think it was fair on our own children. Huge admiration to anyone who does.

I've met a few Tulsa people over the years due to the above, have yet to warm to one of them

Gusser09

Tusla, camhs, cdnts. Their main goal is to not get sued.

event

Search in Dundalk has finished. Guards have appealed again for anyone with info to come forward

NIMAN

Nothing found then?

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757544#Comment_122757544

I could never understand that case how she seemed to want out as soon as stabilised by medication. Even if it was true that she was out of her mind and a different person while doing it, wouldn't anyone be terrified of what they were capable of and worried about what they might do while released. I can't understand not being absolutely haunted by that and wanting to be punished for it if truly remorseful. I've always felt there is something else going on in that case like some form of covert narcissism personality disorder (I'm sure I'm using the wrong term). The anecdotes regarding her constantly ringing work about children under her care were very strange for a professional, and made me feel that she saw everything in terms of how it related to her.

StrawbsM

This is pure evil. You might be able to spin the line that there was a mental breakdown that led to the death of Kyran. But to have absolutely no pangs of guilt in the last 2 years?

I just can’t wrap my head around any of it. I really can’t. 😞

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122759518#Comment_122759518

It sounds gruesome but they had two years to dispose of a body if he was murdered. If he was was placed in a landfill a year ago how would anyone ever find it.

sligeach

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Gusser09

Im amazed that thw grandmother and mother havent been hauled on front of a judge and court yet. Its sickening.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122756933#Comment_122756933

I would think AGS should be hounding her and the nana plus have the other kids put in foster care or with their father, how can they be out, scot free, I mean where are they staying he is supposedly

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760615#Comment_122760615

If they were the grandfather and father they'd have been lifted by now.

CreadanLady

Searches of the Dundalk property are finished. No evidence found infuriatingly.

Jump_In_Jack

Surely if a parent cannot explain the whereabouts of their child they would be under arrest and held on charges of some nature.
There must be a lot more to this case than the Gardaí are at liberty to divulge to the public.

sligeach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761740#Comment_122761740

The Gardaí are no doubt building a book of evidence for the DPP. It takes time, they will be charged eventually.

geotrig

The child is missing and cant or isn't accountable for by the mother ,waiting to gather evidence so they can charge her for murder is a bit of an odd stance to take,

Surely perverting the course or justice and maybe numerous other charges for endangerment of minor,trafficing if she doesn't disclose where the child is or such could be applied to hold and provisionally sentence her she is the mother and is responsible for this child, they could still then build a case and investigate further no ? it just doesn't make sense that she or they who are suspected can walk about ,even if being watched ,as free people while this is ongoing.

Dial Hard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122760614#Comment_122760614

For someone to be up in front of a judge they have to have been charged with a crime the DPP deems worthy of prosecuting. The Gardai haven't even made an arrest yet.

AGS are far from stupid, despite what many on here seem to think. You can be damn sure they are slowly tightening the net on this family and building a bulletproof case. There's no point in them going in gung-ho only to have the DPP say they fcuked up or there isn't enough evidence or whatnot.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122761983#Comment_122761983

AGS have proven themselves to be incompetent on plenty of occasions. You can't deny that.

Dial Hard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122762002#Comment_122762002

They've also successfully investigated and seen through to prosecution and conviction tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases.

I'm not by any means claiming AGS are perfect, it's very obvious they're not. But I strongly suspect they know exactly what they're doing in this case.