Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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“I almost hope Trump wins just to watch the explosion of infantile tantrums that will ensue (again) from those who are so used to their bubble and echo chamber validation that they won't be able to comprehend the notion that victory wasn't assured for their candidate.”

A small part of me wishes the same - I much prefer free discussion on both candidates based on what they did or didn’t do to gain votes - it’s not our country but yet some people think they have the right to insist on how people should think and indeed vote without having any regard or indeed knowledge about what life may be like for those people living in that country under Democrats or indeed republicans - outcome will be what the American voters decide - it’s no more complicated than that

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Comparing democrats and republicans is comparing apples and oranges…. Whataboutism is the only weapon, its the only refugee when defending the gospels of the Orange God Emperor and his disciples.

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The domino theory.

A French Minister made a good point, why don't European countries step op and defend themselves, pay for their own security , support Ukraine.

Whomever wins American Is going to be focused on Asia, but especially China.

There's at least a few people on this thread who live in America, I did up until a couple of years ago and was due to be returning there next year but I've looked to delay that for at least 12 months and may cancel it altogether. There's other people who drop in here who are in similar positions also, at least a couple that I'm aware

But that aside, no one should apologise for being interested in and having an opinion on the outcome of US elections, they are still significantly impactful directly on things that happen elsewhere in the world, and in the case of Trump, the tone that emerges from particular clients can have very significant impact on the tones that evolve elsewhere.

Some speaker at Trumps rally in NY just said the following.

'There's a lot going on in the world, there's a floating island of garbage floating in the middle of the Ocean, I think it's called Puerto Rico'.

Harris social media channels are posting the clip.

When your opponent is using clips from your rally, and posting them, unedited to social media, while the rally is still going on, you're definitely doing something wrong.

I expect no response from posters who were claiming to be concerned that Harris and the Democrats were being divisive...

Another garbage claim memory holed as soon as Trump or one of his attack dogs completely cuts the legs out from under them.

Which is exactly what Europe would seek to do, but this would not be looked kindly upon by a Trump government if Europe seeks to do this as a unified set of liberal democracies. We can see from Trump's attitude on January 6th, 2021, that this isn't really a system of government he or his backers look fondly upon (it means things like civilly relinquishing power after losing elections, for example). So the US would look to undermine that under Trump, if Trump's political project can be taken to its fullest extent. The axis Trump seeks is one of authoritarianism with countries like Russia and if Europe does not come along that political path, the next best thing is to work to have it as a fractured collection of relatively weak nation states who cannot collectively assert themselves upon the world stage.

Surely someone in the Trump asked for Kill Tony's jokes in advance, that's guys whole comedy is built on roasting everything. He's quite well known there so I expect those clips won't be a negative anyway but putting him up there was stupid. Why is Trump campaigning there anyway one week before election. Trumps itinerary had been strange for a while, I actually think there internal polling must be showing a blood bath at this stage and they don't care. Next week is no better.😂

The Trump rally in Madison Square Garden is completely unhinged.

How will Trump winning calm it down? It didn't last time.

He is completely divisive and has no ability to cross the political divide.

He will do nothing to reassert US standing across the world. Don't confuse being a bully to being on charge.

The reason the US has been happy to shoulder the vast majority of the security and military cost is that it gives them control. Use of bases in other countries, access to security information. Freedom of movement of military gear. Not to mention the likes of the UK are very slow to criticise Israel because of their links to US. Trump is looking to tear all that up for the sake of some billions that is not going to make much difference either way.

Do you think anyone has noticed the 'Trump will fix it' slogan on the podium, and would it register if they did?

A fair post - I guess which will be worse- winning it or losing it? Do any of us know?

Im not advocating Trump btw- just thinking out loud and in fairness you’ve responded well - I’d like to see less “angry” in America - was just trying to think how that might happen.

I don’t think Trump will be highly active second time around - maybe in the first year but I think age might catch up with him - I can’t see him putting energy into anything other than something that enhances his wealth or protects him from prosecution/trials or what not- and closer to end of term feigning dementia - or maybe not even feigning - President Vance anyone?

think it’s meant to echo this