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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    How juvenile. And who are these people who say their candidate’s victory is assured? I’ve only seen Trumpers declaring that for their candidate here, ‘he will win at a canter’ etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Contrary to what you might think, people in Ireland, posting on Boards.ie are merely interested and perhaps bemused observers - not the Republican or Democrat die hards you seem to be looking for.

    This isn't America. We've our own imminent election and incompetent politicians and parties to contend with. This one is merely the warm up side show.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    The most recent rally I seen (where he is talking about someone's cock size) has union workers cheering him. Is the media that targeted that they completely missed his numerous mentions of his annoyance and disgust at unions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I can't see it. It's not that Trump is a better candidate (he's not), but that I just can't see Harris getting enough support on the day to get her over the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    2016 Trump wins against the expectation, most of the complaining is from Trump about how come he didn't have the most votes or biggest inauguration crowd.

    Brexit wins and most complaints are from the Brexit side and that it isn't Brexity enough for them.

    The loosing side in both cases grumbles a bit and mostly waits about ready to say "told you so".

    2020 Trump looses, riots, people die, people go to jail. Trump is still whining 4 years later.

    2024 If Trump looses then I predict riots and similar to last time, but on a smaller scale as he doesn't have the power of being the incumbent, and he'll make a show of not turning up to the inauguration or respecting the new president.

    If Trump wins, there will be some grumbling, but no riots. There will be a peaceful transfer of power and everyone who would usually be expected to participate in inauguration will do and won't moan about doing so.

    Any popcorn you need at the ready should be for whatever it is that MAGA get up to, whatever way the result goes.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I'm just the opposite, I just don't see Trump getting enough support on the day, and I think those that break for Harris will do so in sufficient numbers to give her a more comfortable margin than Biden.

    But to your earlier point - if I'm wrong I won't be throwing any infantile tantrums!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    actual union workers, or Trump supporters playing pretend again:

    In multiple instances Trumps campaign has given away ‘unions for Trump’ styled shirts away to rally goers but upon being interviewed those wearing them admit they aren’t union workers at all

    At the event, headlined by vice presidential nominee Sen. JD Vance, more than a dozen attendees could be seen wearing the T-shirts. Some of them were stationed in a featured spot behind Vance as he spoke. However, six fessed up that while they did support Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, they were not actually autoworkers, The Detroit News reported.


    Spectators Carl Leonard and Terry Flannery said they were given the shirts by Brian Pannebecker, the founder of Auto Workers for Trump and a former Ford Motor Co. assembly line worker, the News reported. The newspaper has previously described Pannebecker as Trump’s “go-to Michigan auto worker.”

    A similar deception was perpetrated during Trump’s speech to autoworkers in September 2023. Some in the crowd were shills carrying signslike “Union Members for Trump” and “Auto Workers for Trump” when they were nothing of the sort.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/auto-workers-for-trump-shirt-rally_n_67067941e4b006047915ef60/amp



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    If Trump wins, there will be some grumbling, but no riots.

    I sincerely doubt that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    What I want to know is how the attitudes of these posters on an Irish forum will have directly led to any outcome.

    I think it's safe to say most voters in the US presidential election have never heard of boards.ie so won't see anything online.

    Given it is an Irish forum most posters are unlikely to be interacting with enough voters offline to impact the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Do I have to pull out the infamous video (now meme) of that woman screaming Noooooo over and over and apologising to the world as Trump was announced?

    That one still makes me laugh today.

    Or there was a panel someone posted previously of 4/5 wannabe YouTube authorities on the election that became more and more unhinged as more States were announced for Trump.

    Just 2 random examples of many. Don't fool yourself, the "right side" aren't any better than those they would insult and berate.

    But again, we're just interested observers here in Ireland watching the show, which is exactly what both parties and US media have turned it into - essentially Survivor or Big Brother on the political stage.

    Either way the entertainment value will be something to behold!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Possibly some very low level protests. But it 100% will not be egged on by Biden or Harris holding a rally at the Whitehouse and telling their supporters to fight like hell.

    There might be a couple of court cases if there are genuine recount issues, but the difference being that evidence will be presented. And any protest marches will be totally independent of Harris and they won't say anything at all to encourage people to do anything.

    The only thing they will encourage people to do is vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I think that was the expectation in 2016 and when Trump was announced the shock was palpable.

    I don't see what's changed. Is Harris that much more likeable, impressive or electable than Clinton was?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I think the shock was palpable because voters didn't take Trump seriously as a candidate. They do know. There will be more of an anti Trump vote than there was then.

    Posted this earlier as how I think we compare to 2016:

    I also think it is reminiscent of 2016.

    Back then Clinton was a bit of a marmite candidate. Plenty of support from a strong base but beyond that engendered significant ill will, leading to sufficient abstentions and votes against her.

    Trump, although high profile from TV etc and also a marmite candidate, politically had not yet generated the kind of ill will he does today.

    Essentially Clinton lost that election rather than Trump winning it. She lost a referendum on her character.

    Now Trump still has his strong base, but he has built up very significant hatred beyond that.

    Harris on the other hand, whilst obviously high profile being VP, has not yet done enough to engender a huge negative feeling. She'll benefit from the votes against Trump and the abstentions.

    It will be a referendum on Trump's character and he'll lose it. I think Harris will win with a greater electoral college margin of victory than Biden did.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    The "Not my President" stuff in 2016 was fairly low-level, I think it would be a fairly significant step up from that.

    I do take your point that Harris is unlikely to stoke it all up and claim election was stolen etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    what’s the big “her emails” scandal for Harris?

    Where is the fake accent or pandering bottle of hot sauce?

    Where’s the surprise medical episode where she’s dragged off into a van?

    The comparisons to Hillary are a bit off the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Most Taylor Swift fans are Christian girls, and they're all for Trump. She has 300m followers, and only 11m liked her Insta Post endorsing Harris. She's a nobody in this race. Lives in a world of her own, it's why she turned off all comments on all her social media a long time ago, she avoids reality, avoids the push back.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Democrats ALWAYS take Wisconsin, Michigan, PA, Nevada.

    Trump barely flipped PA in 2016 by 0.8% , Wisconsin by 0.7% , Michigan by 0.2% , but lost Nevada

    Harris can still take all 4 this time, history on her side. In last 24 years, only Trump flipped those 3, and by tiny margins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    She only got 11 million likes.

    To be fair, if even a fraction of that 11 million were inspired to vote for Harris where they otherwise might not have participated at all, you'd have to say the endorsement was good value.

    And I've said before that I'm not a fan of the Democrats' preoccupation with celebrity endorsements as it can seem like a poor substitute for actual grassroots campaigning at times, but Swift is such a name that it's a no-brainer to get her behind you all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Probably her fans in blue states and around the globe, so not capable of making a difference. I don't think she'd flip her Christian base, which makes up a huge percent of her fan base



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Muslims for Trump is a bit like LGBTs for Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Swift is probably the biggest name in pop music in the United States, if not the world. She's far beyond the Nashville, clean-cut Christian country-pop thing at this stage, and would have appeal to girls/young women right across the political spectrum. I think the Harris campaign's idea is that she'll appeal to a lot of girls who didn't really have a dog in the race before.

    However, this can only be truly assessed after the election, since I don't believe there is a 'Swifty' designation on ballot request forms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is the contrarian attitude I was talking about.

    No interest in advocating for a positive outcome, just motivated by the desire to see the group they don't like annoyed or upset.

    If you could bottle bitterness and begrudgery, Ireland would be one of the worlds leading producers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,445 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    But it's the Democrats who need to tone down the rhetoric apparently.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1850619000155471921?t=YaXLZz68S_008HXc7mop1w&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,301 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    it’s odd alright but Trump won’t pass up a chance to get votes in - remember he lost a number of states last time by the narrowest of margins - under 11k votes - he doesn’t need the entire Muslim community in America to vote for him- but if he can get certain influential imams on stage in swing states, that could lead to 10,000 votes and that could win that state for him - job done!


    https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/940689086/narrow-wins-in-these-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The linked tweet for those who won't click in to it.

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    Hypocrites, and another crowd still stuck in 2016.



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