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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Ok so this thread allows discussion of mod behaviour so I hope I'm not out of line but the "End of" is just not needed and comes across as aggressive tbh.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    It's not intended to come across as aggressive so I apologies if that's how it was interpreted but what I meant is that the above mod action is not up for further discussion - you cannot discuss something that is before the courts, it is in the boards terms of use.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Ok thanks for the reply could have been me taking it up as aggressive, I'll 🤐 it now.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Go on a sitebanning spree and cut out a lot of the nonsense and trolls, start again with less noise.

    The incremental bans that were implemented after the last thread are great in theory, but a post needs to be looked at in context before applying a warning.

    Don't issues bans for a link dump when it's clearly not a link dump. If it's logically related to the ongoing discussion at the time it's relevant.

    And welcome to Necro, I can honestly say I've no idea if he's left leaning, right leaning, or apolitical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    If that's the thread I think it is, it's no longer before the courts



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    There's a poster or two who I can think of who regularly use it in their posts. I can imagine the reaction if they were given a warning for aggressive posting!



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I've started the sitebanning spree. It's a work in progress 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I +100 this.

    If there are people who are racking up tens of warnings over a couple of months, just site ban them, giving these sorts of posters multiple second chances is just clogging up the forums and causing mod issues.

    Some of the forums need martial law for a while to encourage people to cop on a bit. I'm am sure the place will be quieter, but allowing adult conversation & debate to exist is what boards is founded on, the current constant bickering is turning people away more than any moderator in/actions IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Honestly it should only be used when bans are applied 😅

    "You're banned for x months.....end of"



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,561 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    😂😂

    I might adopt it on my sitebanning spree 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Sarcozies


    I just checked there and 11/20 of the threads on the front page of After Hours are from 1-2 days ago. This is (was? I don't keep up tbh) the sites biggest page and back in the day would be unheard of to have one single thread over a day old on the first page.

    The website is dying. Mods can continue to point blame on the posters (and let's be fair, there are some posters who should be held to account) all they want and year after year the users on here will get lower and lower and lower until one day you won't have any new posts to moderate and you can be at rest.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Forums like Boards are old hat at this stage so that has an influence on new sign ups.

    The people who would have made Boards busy in its heyday are now on TikTok and Instagram, there isn't anything users, mods, cmods or admins can do about that. That doesn't mean Boards should tolerate nonsense though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I would rather see that then have threads "kept active" by a handful of posters bickering about pathetic childish crap.

    If there were actual conversations and thoughtful opinions then it might actually attract people back.

    Most of the forums that exist for a specific niche dont have this childish crap. Thats probably because they are aimed at like minded people, but AH/CA exists for people to share opinions, so it will never run like other forums.

    But people have to learn how to share an opinion without, to borrow a phrase, being a dick.

    A forum I was part of many years ago went through a similar experience, every second post was bickering and tit for tat. We laid down the law for a couple of months and it just stopped, people either grew up or moved on. I would suggest that forums like CA need more moderation and not less. But it MUST be even handed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Sarcozies


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    The downfall of boards started years before the creation of tik tok. Right now it's getting similar searches it had in 2005 - when about 12 people were on the Internet. That's shocking.

    Is bad moderation the sole reason for the downfall? Certainly not, nothing in life has a single reason but if I asked you do you think the moderation of the site over the last 12 years has had a negative, positive or neutral effect on the popularity of the site and you say anything but negative then enjoy the continued dwindling and change nothing and watch the site cease to exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    I’d say the downturn coincided with the rise of Facebook and Twitter, which is also where most of today’s boards.ie users developed their terminal brain rot.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Boards was most popular when the general population had access to the Internet, it was novel and forums were novel.

    Now anyone can comment on multiple platforms where there's no expectation to engage and debate your point.

    The world and Internet have changed (and here's me repeating myself from earlier in the same thread).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's also a significant part of the traffic of the site and contains discussions that Boards needs to be able to facilitate the type of discussions that happen there to a certain degree if it is in any way serious as being considered as a reasonable discussion forum.

    On the last edition of this type of thread, I suggested it be like to soccer forum and you'd have to request access. That idea was not pursued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I have to say that I dont understand the concept of a closed forum that needs one to request access to.

    If there are posters that you wouldnt allow to access Soccer (or CA or whatever) then why not just get rid of them?

    Keeping up the numbers of posters when a bunch of them are people you wouldnt let post in busy threads seems mental, its like fudging the numbers to make the site look more active than it is. "Oh we have 10K members" when the reality is that 4K of them are people you want and the rest are time syncs and painful reregs who mostly piss off the main 4K posters.

    Just ban the people who create "too much" work and let the site continue on. Vainly trying (and failing) to appeal to some ideal of what "the young folk want today" is pointless. Boards will never be like tiktok or instagram, its not setup to work like that, the format doesnt lend itself to that ideal, so be different, keep the perhaps niche thing that attracted people to boards in the first place. The internet is littered with sites that moved away from their core use case to chase the current whim.

    In reality, you need a more mature set of people to have adult conversations. There are millions of these mature people who likely would post on boards.ie more, if it wasnt for all the nonsense. Appeal to them, the people who were the grassroots of the site and stop "chasing the likes" being allowing immature idiots to spoil everything.

    /edit

    Whew, that was a rant I didnt feel coming!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Actually, you might have highlighted why the idea wasn't considered.

    It wasn't proposed that it would be somewhere from which people would be excluded (for the most part). Rather that it would be a place where people would have to make an explicit choice to request access to it, but once in there, would have to play by the specific rules of that forum.

    Those rules, I suggested, would facilitate more of the forthright style of posting and not have mods taken up with dealing with posters being slightly rude or discourteous to each other, but if they did cross a line and outright post unacceptable content, then they would lose access to the discussion; viewing and posting.

    The idea around it is that most of the site users would not have to tolerate the topic/tone that causes a lof of the mod interventions that we see them having to deal with a lot of the time.

    But, it's a moot point now because it was proposed, and didn't go anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I echo the response that that seems a pointless exercise. If there are people who you would not let into CA then ban them from the site altogether. They're clearly not wanted.

    Post edited by Jim_Hodge on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Dan Steely


    Stop. Stop. It's already dead.

    (post written on my Olivetti Manual and sent via first class post)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's. Not. About. Not. Letting. People. In. It's. About. Them. Having. To. Explicitly. Request. That. They. Can. Go. In.

    I don't know how to explain it any more clearly. Maybe view it as a back room in the back of a bar where the noisy gamblers who still want to smoke at the table are facilitated because it means they won't be disturbing the majority of the crowd who just came in for a chat and a drink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,197 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Who are these people?

    Maybe it's you that's the problem not them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Don't ask me. It was someone else's idea. I said if there are people…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Everyone has to request access by signing up in the first place.

    And everyone has to "play by the specific rules of that forum", for every forum and often for some threads.

    The idea around it is that most of the site users would not have to tolerate the topic/tone that causes a lof of the mod interventions that we see them having to deal with a lot of the time.

    I'm still missing the point of why anyone would have to tolerate the tone of these posters…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Because the tone of these posters isn't always outright unacceptable, if it was, they'd be banned from the site as is.

    It's often just belligerent, continuous, ignorant and can't be called out exactly as such because of this 'don't attack the poster' approach.

    If people could respond appropriately in such an area, the rest of the site wouldn't have to deal with the attempts to tolerate them or ignore them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    ”attack the poster” was a constant theme in the Harris/Trump thread for months- posters who wished to have a conversation in general terms on what strategies either party were taking in the election were completely shut down and sneered at by a group of self appointed “moderators” who assumed everyone who didn’t think like they did were “rapist sympathisers” - or just kept up the stupid mantra of “but Trump” , again as some sort of moral guardians of discussion - the atmosphere in that thread was toxic and it’s only changed recently because it’s apparent Trump has a significant chance of winning and posters are forced to face this reality.

    Clearly pushing a load of posters into an approved access “back room” is only going to create a situation of lots of threads as echo chambers of the few posters allowed to post there-back in the day boards just gave such posters a private group option so they could have their fun there.

    Hiding away and blocking access to general discussion on the current affairs topics of the day will completely kill the site. I can see why CA is limited for new posters as it greatly reduces re reg trolls and hence, work for the mods- but if you’re pushing such discussions into a deeper more hidden forum, that’s certainly not going to benefit the site in any way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,372 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There is a whole Politics forum as well... is there a better way to get more discussions going there? CA seems to be hoovering up first responses.

    Politics isnt a hidden forum yet seemingly it may as well be for all the attention it gets. Posters disinterested in such topics dont have to follow either forum so not convinced CA needs to be hidden away? If it was made private who gets access? Would even existing posters have to request access? What is process for new users? More stringent than the current rules?

    And it seems strange posters who dont seem to want to discuss topics in CA because of some perceptions about current posters in CA rarely if ever instead try Politics. Instead they seem determined to stay somewhere supposedly hostile and toxic to them, while trying to claim some sort of victimhood.

    It never adds up as a claim.

    The access standard is the same now for both.

    And if a poster finds the environment and/or posting standards not to their liking in both places, consider that may say more about them than boards forums / moderation.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “And it seems strange posters who dont seem to want to discuss topics in CA because of some perceptions about current posters in CA rarely if ever instead try Politics. Instead they seem determined to stay somewhere supposedly hostile and toxic to them, while trying to claim some sort of victimhood.

    It never adds up as a claim.”


    It most certainly does stand up as a claim - and the fact that by standing up to this pathetic and juvenile abuse by self appointed thread moderators resulted in a prohibition on posters calling others rapist sympathiser's is proof positive of that .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    There is a whole Politics forum as well... is there a better way to get more discussions going there? CA seems to be hoovering up first responses.

    Mods can use their discretion to move threads to other areas if they think its appropriate.

    I would have thought any threads about elections (both Irish and International) would be a better fit in the Politics forum myself.

    Maybe they just need to be asked to move them? Though I doubt the Politics Mods will thank the CA Mods for it!



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