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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭Economics101


    From the Trump Joe Rogan podcast:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/26/politics/trump-joe-rogan-podcast-income-tax-tariffs/index.html

    Even more nuts than his proposal to eliminate tax on overtime earnings. MAybe in a few days he will warm to the idea of eliminating all taxation. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Campaigning with Cheney is an attempt to convert republicans who are hesitant to vote for a democrat…. Though it might do damage to potential Muslim voters who remember her father being responsible for bombing of the Middle East.
    I think Harris should go on Joe rogan and an appearance on the show will get votes for both candidates. I believe her campaign did reach out to Joe Rogan and there were negotiations about an appearance.
    What my issue is the cultural impact Joe Rogan has. He is an idiot, he is gullible, an empty vessel, susceptible to believing disinformation and he does not do a good interview. I was listening to him from day one of the podcast and he has basically been radicalised, fully bought into right wing nonsense/lies/conspiracy. All he now talks about is being anti woke, anti trans, how nato provoked russia, how bad Harris is, Hunter Biden’s laptop… etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Everyone on here is convinced Harris has won this easily? You've obviously been reading r/Politics on Reddit and got mixed up.

    Few, if any, on this thread think that Harris has won it easily. Most, if not all, observe that it will be massively tight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Meet and greet all the people that left the rally early?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Joe Rogan interview

    Joe : Right

    Trump: talks for 15 mins

    Joe: Cool

    Trump: talks for 15 mins

    Joe: Right

    Trump: talks for 15 mins

    Joe: Cool Cool

    Trump: talks for 15 mins

    3 hours of nothing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Oh, I know this one!

    Is it the same party that rang the governor or Georgia and asked him to "find" over 11,000 votes?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @EltonJohn69

    Campaigning with Cheney is an attempt to convert republicans who are hesitant to vote for a democrat…. Though it might do damage to potential Muslim voters who remember her father being responsible for bombing of the Middle East.

    Is there any evidence that Cheney is even doing anything positive for Harris's numbers? Is there anyone going, "Well, I can't vote for Trump, but I couldn't do it Harris, either. That is…. until I saw Liz out there."

    If there is one thing that could potentially unite the Democratic left wing and Republican MAGA people, it's hatred of neo-cons, and Cheney is the daughter of the guy who'd be front and centre of the Sergeant Pepper album cover of American neo-cons. To me, it just completely fails to read the apparent political mood music of the USA.

    As for Rogan, he is a meat head and often easily led or gullible, as you say. To me, this is more of a reason for her to do his show than not. Why? Because if he comes at her with his bro-ish, meat head concerns about trans stuff or immigrants being given a voting card as soon as they cross the border, she can forcefully push back on that if she has anything about her at all, and that will reach at least some people who will never be reached by a thousand CNN interviews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    seems to be absolutely certain Harris has this won easily that it's a no contest.

    You must be seeing a different thread to the one I'm seeing.

    There is a dominance of people in here who want Harris to win, but the definitive statements as to who is going to win, are all coming from posters who want/hope Trump wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    yeah I think it would be a relatively easy interview for her when compared to the Fox News cauldron of interruptions and trap door questions. Maybe she will still do it. But maybe she didn’t want to commit to three hours, there must have been some stumbling block….i guess Charalamgne the God is the closest she got to the manosphere podcast audience.

    Who knows if Cheney will pay off, I assume her team considered all the pros and cons…… but if she does lose I’m sure it will be on the list of the many things she got wrong and the opposite will apply if she wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So much for Stamina - his own superfans leave rally early because Trump is out of steam an can't make it to his commitments on time.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/maga-faithful-ditch-rally-after-trump-tells-them-hes-running-hours-late-because-of-joe-rogan-interview/

    For how much you hyped him up being a 'machine' etc once again he shows this old engine is running out of grease. But I'm sure your response to that will be some variation of 'yeah well uhm, 10 days'

    "Reeks of desperation" what do you call running so late, hours late, you record a video to the plebs on your private jet teasing a "special performance" to keep them in their seats? Desperation, clearly.

    After Trump was already late for a Friday night rally in Traverse City, Michigan, the former president recorded a video that was played on the big screen at the rally.

    “[Unintelligible] campaign stop, including doing Joe Rogan, and we want to just win,” Trump said. “I said, ‘Well, they understand in Traverse City. Otherwise, I’ll be very upset with myself.’ And I think you will. And it’s a Friday night, so we can sit around. We’ll do an extra-special job when we get there. I think we land in about two hours, and we’re stepping on the gas. But it’s all about winning. And we had to spend some extra time with some people and lots of people, actually.”

    The former president then teased “a special performance.”

    “We’re gonna have a good time tonight,” he added. “See you in a little while.”

    An who was the special appearance anyway? lol



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Bill Gates has been doing this sort of thing for years , bankrolling media outlets and yet nobody had a problem with it.

    Which publications does Gates have editorial control over? SQURREL!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You can pretty much ignore what this poster said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Just ramblings, telling Joe he sorted out a trade issue with France by threatening to issue 100% tariffs and it was all sorted. That he sorted out international issues himself…

    Complete spoofer, and Joe never asked for evidence or anything to support it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    …while everyone on here seems to be absolutely certain Harris has this won easily that it's a no contest.

    What?

    The general consensus "on here" is that it's a 50/50 race so far and it's pretty much a toss up who's getting into the Whitehouse in November.

    Having just joined the forum, of course, you may have missed that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    that half of America is buying his bullshit reflects very badly on the country…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Absolutely.

    Looking at this solely in the context of this election is comparable to focusing on a hurricane like Helene in the context of the climate emergency.

    America having gotten to a place where such a character can come so close to the power and literally steamrolled through the host part he took over as they completely folded in opposing him is the big story. He is devoid of Presidential skillset, intellect or evidence of any competence. And coupled with a lifetime of bluff, bluster and BS. And on top of this, actual acts of crimes directly related to their revered constitution. And it appears close to have of America wants this as President.

    That, is a problem, and not one that will be immediately fixed if he loses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, your "vibe" is wrong.

    The majority here have been saying that the race is too close to call and any of the polling data provided so far has been well within the margin of error. There are few who are saying that "their guy" is going to win for sure next month and most of that talk had been from Trump fans in an effort to comfort themselves. The reality is that there's no way to tell who is going to be President and it can go either way at the moment.

    I haven't just joined the site either I've been on here for quite

    I have no doubt.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Weird take. The Trumpites are claiming Trump is winning by a mile. I am convinced Trump will win the EC by a similar margin to 2016. The rest of the anti Trump side are saying it’s too close to call. Maybe one poster thought Harris would win easily.

    I suspect you’re not posting in good faith.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,432 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "the comments I've read on here all seem to suggest certainly Harris will win."

    Should be easy for you to dig out a few of these comments so, if they "all" seem to suggest "certainly Harris will win", with "nothing to actually back it up".

    Because your comments don't bear any relation to the actual thread content, and otherwise you are the one making claims with "nothing to actually back it up" and a textbook bad faith argument.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    all seem to suggest certainly Harris will win and dismiss Trump or any suggestions of Trump winning.

    Can you quote/link some of these comments please, should be easy to do if there are so many of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I've already made posts subsequent to that which I assume helps answer some of the reasons I would say Harris winning is still the most likely outcome in my opinion.

    Polling isn't accurate these days so I wouldn't get too hung up on it either way.

    The chap who has called every presidential election right for the last 30/40 years says his model is giving it to Harris.

    Harris is campaigning in places that wouldn't seem to be in play.

    Trump is all over the place in what you could interpret as a panic to try to catch back up.

    Trump hasn't won an election since 2016 with his candidates and mandate getting rejected in 2018, 2020 and 2022 (with some notable exceptions naturally in safe areas)

    Harris is by no means a perfect candidate, in fact she is very flawed but she does have a lot in her favour - she is held to a different standard by the media, but as I'm sure you know the media doesn't always have its finger on the pulse of the people.

    I don't think it's a slam dunk, I've seen others say it will end up being a landslide for Harris, I personally cannot see that but I do go with them in the sense that I think she will get over the line.

    Could be wrong, I'll live if I am.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Trump does paint a pretty funny picture in fairness to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Why is it, though, that Trump supporters in here feel the need to lie about their support?

    As you say, it fools nobody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    “bad thing will happen to our country if Harris wins”

    “The Chinese respect me “

    “Putin respects me”

    How are lads buying this ****? That’s his foreign policy. That’s it !
    it’s going to be all down to his persona ???
    what happens when he’s gone? Is it only his persona that can demand respect ???
    I honestly thought that as time went forward humanity got better and smarter.
    To think that Donald Trump is going to be the leader of the free world for the foreseeable future in 2025 and 26 etc is utterly depressing.
    He talks about the danger of nuclear weapons. American isolationism will lead to a proliferation of nuclear weapons. The Ukraine war has demonstrated in the starkest terms that having nuclear weapons is the ultimate safeguard against invasion. Even more so with American policy dependent on the type of persona that demands this mysterious “ respect “.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I honestly haven't seen many posters saying with certainty that Harris will win. I have seen a fair few Trump supporters saying he's a shoe in to win based on everything from betting markets to polling. If polling is to believed then it's a coin flip. I think most hope Trump won't win and for good reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,432 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Instead of writing that you could have backed up your claims. Seemingly it was prevalent on the thead that most were sure of her victory so it would be trivial to prove it ... but nope.

    Given you have been utterly unable to support your claims do you withdraw them?

    Because otherwise your claims of "interpretations" appears to be your get out clause to make stuff up without evidence. And thats a bad faith argument.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Joe Rogan and Eminem backing Harris

    I'd say this is news to Joe Rogan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,432 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You made a claim about the content of the thread. You had several opportunities to either withdraw it or support it. The claim was such it would be trivial to prove.

    So textbook bad faith argument when you do neither.

    Didnt take long to establish your claim was garbage seeing as you have had several opportunities to support it and you are utterly unable to.

    Remember you were the one who seemed to be bothered there were claims about the election with "nothing to back them up".

    All we have established is that it is your claims that have nothing to back them up.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    "the comments I've read on here all seem to suggest certainly Harris will win."

    No one could read this thread and make that claim in a serious way.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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