Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Who could write up a three hour script for anyone, especially Trump who likes to wing it? Yes, it should be interesting, if unedited…

The pernicious influence of religion in the US has conditioned believers to believe lies. As the religious leaders, profit from having lots of believers, it's a vicious cycle. And as CFTrump can easily be bought, the religious leaders throw their influence behind him. So, he can lie all he wants - did you see the lie the other day posted here about 'up to birth abortions?' That's not a redneck posting it here, that's likely someone regretting the sensible support for Irelands abortion policy, and lashing out using a lie the religious leaders promulgate.

The pernicious influence of the American Educational industrial complex is also to blame. They've been peddling low-quality education for decades, preaching left-wingitty policies that miss the elephant in the room - Chinese kids are better education that American kids. This has been going on for generations now, and is a big explanation of why China is pulling ahead of the US on so many fronts. They're severely handicapped by their massive overpopulation problem, they're trying to come to grips with that and having some success, but that, too, will take generations to resolve. They're at least trying, the US is making no efforts there. As a result, we have generations of American kids whose parents have ensured they didn't have to work too hard, attacking teachers who have the temerity to point out that Bobby or Sally really earned the F they got. And the teacher's unions never back up the teachers.

This has metastasized into the Moms for Liberty types, again pushing religious-based lies into the classrooms. Burning books in the USA, my father and uncles who fought in WWII, my Mom and her sisters who worked for the war effort, are rolling in their graves. Banning books…amazing

Plus, there's the venal types like the US Oligarchs buying votes through any means necessary - conveniently changing endorsement policies for the newspapers they own despite objections from their employees whom I'm certain those oligarchs praise as the best hires they could've made.

And the out-and-out bad actors like RuZZia using their useful idiots and manipulating more idiots via social media.

So, even if Harris wins (I repeat I think she will, and handily), nothing will be fixed. First it starts with the education system, give it some backbone and end the parental over-influence, and likewise instead of forgiving loans, do a real analysis of how well so many of these so-called universities provide degrees and how effective these degrees are. Maybe bring in some Chinese data analysts to do the work if the Americans aren't up to snuff.

TL:DR: America is bad due to actions from both sides, and has a lot of issues to investigate and resolve, none of which will be easy.

I think Bezos believes a Trump win is very likely. Harris needs a fairly massive October surprise or the polls to have been wrong (again)……but as it stands The Teflon God Emperor has the winds in his sails…

Bill Gates has been doing this sort of thing for years , bankrolling media outlets and yet nobody had a problem with it.

Newspapers should not be endorsing political candidates at all in my opinion and I'd prefer if they had always kept out of this business and let people decide for themselves.

I don't actually like Bezos reason for not doing this if it's to suck up to Trump as it's cowardly.

Problem is the left have zero problem with people they like using their power to influence media, you can't say it's OK for Bill Gates to pay to influence media an then at the same time Bezos shouldn't be allowed to do it.

I have heard this theory a few place and I hope it’s correct…. but democrats are definitely worried…. I listened to a report about door to door canvassing and the main takeaway was that Trump’s name recognition is what will carry the day

So the national CNN poll that has them level is a GOP poll?

The CNBC poll that has Trump 2 points ahead nationally is also paid for by the GOP?

I am sure there has been some poll dumping but the momentum is with Trump. The undecided voters are making there mind up and are breaking for Trump.

I’ve watched about 15 mins of this - just randomly flicking through in 2-3 minute segments - I’ll take a longer look later but so far, Trump actually comes across as a normal politician, answering questions- he’s not ranting or dancing or whatever - there may well be ridiculous aspects in the interview- but I just haven’t seen them yet as I’ve limited time to watch it.

It’s a huge contrast to his rallies- if he behaved like I’ve seen him on this video so far, at his rallies he’d probably be way ahead in the polls - that or else, he’s just doing an act that he thinks his fans want to see, I dunno .

Getting bozos and musk onboard is pure Republicanism - keeping the rich happy - if he wins we’ll likely see attempts to promote the business interests of these two gentlemen - fast tracking space research and the rollout of driverless cars by reducing red tape for example .

To be influenced by this video you first have to watch it - hard to see too many people play the whole thing - but so far he presented well enough surprisingly but especially when compared to his rally’s.

VERY hard to call this election - listening to the small bits I played it sounded just like an “ordinary” Republican candidate - so maybe it’s this that Republicans are voting for - keep the rich happy so the money keeps flowing, drill baby drill - let the good times roll and stop worrying about tomorrow .

I’m conscious none or very few of us are living in America and even fewer have a vote - I think it’s not a bad idea to “seek to understand” - there’s a lot of “noise” out there in this election that is easy to get distracted by but bottom line for republicans probably hasn’t changed an awful lot in terms of what they want in a presidential election and candidate - security, law and order, look after the rich and keep the oil flowing - certainly Trump is promising that - whether he delivers or not is another matter

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMoPUAeLnY&pp=ygUPSm9lIHJvZ2FuIHRydW1w

Great post - and yes, I do believe there are bad actors on both sides- Democrats are not all sweetness and light .

Education system too is completely underfunded- classrooms are over crowded teachers underpaid and a shortage of them - the wealthy are shunning the public schools and going private leaving that system to the underprivileged

America has dropped in world rankings in maths and science- two of the key subjects that are most certainly going to be required for a successful nations people both today and into the future. And don’t get me started on book banning and what not that goes on- a total side show when there are much bigger issues to sort.

It feels like the rich are voting for republicans in this election to achieve what they always want achieved- to preserve their way of life and protect and grow their income.

But some of the poor are also now intending to vote republican- not necessarily the under funded teachers type poor- it’s the very uneducated poor who are thinking Trump might help them in some way - I think whatever he’s said at his rally’s has probably resonated with them - even if it’s just “America’s broken and I’m going to fix it” or words similar to that - that would resonate with someone who’s not well educated and facing a life of under privilege - and there’s a lot more people like that in America today who vote, than there was in the past

That’s my reading too - everything else is just conspiracy theories - the polls are bloody tight - it’s as simple as that. Theres been way too much focus on Trump the individual - yes he’s an odious creature- but the principles of Republicanism is the only thing voters are interested in and if that isn’t reason enough then you can throw in the Democrats going far too left so there’s a natural rebalance from swing voters.

Harris opposes fracking - I fcking hate the idea of fracking too- I think its impacts are well known and it’s killing the environment and the people living there where it takes place - but she rolled back on her previous statements on banning fracking - I understand why she did that but it showed me that Democrats probably went too far left for the countries comfort - and there’s a natural adjustment ( punishment might be an appropriate word in there minds ) for doing so.
The voters will speak on election day - it’s as simple as that. Hopefully we’ll see good democracy in action and a peaceful transition of power no matter who gets in

The margin of error in the polls is reckoned to be at least twice the standard 3% quoted - but no matter what way it’s sliced and diced essentially the polls are too close to call it’s that simple -and yes I’m in agreement with you - right now Trump is gaining momentum - it doesn’t mean he’ll win but it makes Harris position far more difficult to make an impression on swing voters at this late stage of the game

https://theweek.com/politics/2024-election-polls-accuracy

Di you understand the difference between bankrolling, and influencing?

And by influencing, I mean expressly direction them to go against the selected editorial board position.

That does lead me back to Liz Cheney and her talk some weeks back about starting up a new Republican Party to draw republicans away from Trumps mob party as it exists with the RNC. Her name has baggage so I don't give it much hope when the GOP senators who should be blunt publicly with Trump in a capitals letter in WaPo, NYT and the LA times: **** off back to your golf courses with your pension and stay there don't have the bottle to do so. The words used by Spike Milligan describing Prince Charles as an grovelling illegitimate person spring to mind and should be applied to any GOP Senator who refuses to return to being a Republican and dump Trump.

That's not poor coordination on the part of the campaign manager, that's the boss throwing the schedule set up for him to maximize the number of his party voters meet and greet him at their rally.

The data from the Rust Belt isn't going to tell you much as there is pretty much only absentee and mail-in ballot data. You are tracking how ballots are requested and the percentage of these returned.

Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada, in comparison, have pretty comprehensive information available. Georgia, in particular, provides detailed data, including voter turnout by race, which is useful for gauging voter enthusiasm.

As it stands, this should be worrying for Harris's campaign, especially if you reasonably assume correlation between states.