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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • #872
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732760#Comment_122732760

    My daughter used to work with an insurance company that had these, the phonecalls she would get from some drivers was shocking. Some would ring to say they weren't speeding, she would give date, time, location. Their response, yes I was there, but its not a 60 or 80, that's a 120 zone, or well it was quiet so it was fine. The number of people who just didn't know the posted speed limit on the road they were travelling was mind blowing.

    This said, there were other companies who used to loan you a tracker until you had a specific distance done. Completely pointless as a co worker just took a weekend and drove to Limerick or Cork for a weekend away. I know they are a terrible driver, and they speed, but the insurer has a system that says they are good as they done 500km all under the speed limit.



  • #873
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,903 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Eyewitnesses said that moments before Mr O’ Keeffe was killed he saved the life of another woman by shoving her to safety out of the way of the oncoming car. The driver of the car, a man aged in his 90s, received medical attention at the scene.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/man-killed-in-fermoy-cork-garda-appeal-6519488-Oct2024/

    "Moments before he was killed.." what happened there?

    Edit: removed speculation

    Post edited by zell12 on


  • #874
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,112 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Mod note - no speculation please.



  • #875
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,714 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736993#Comment_122736993

    the driver was also in their 90s.

    Probably not the issue in this sad incident, but people drive way too fast in carparks. Most of them have a 10km/h limit posted but people zip around like they're on the road when there's loads of people walking around, kids, trolleys and the visibility is terrible.



  • #876
    traco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭traco


    Any idea when the cycle lane on Georges Quay, Burgh Quay, Aston Quat etc is due to open?

    I find it have become dangerous at O'Connel Bridge now at so just before 0700. I get off at Tara St at 0650 and head for Hesuton and I've had several narrow brushes there since teh new rules as cars speed up then cut into the bus lane or whatever it is to beat the cut off time and its very very tight.

    The removal of the left filter lane and the island that was there means you are sitting between left turn traffic and staright ahead with zero space. I reckon its the most dangerous pich point on the quays at this stage.



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  • #877
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Update on the average speed cameras…

    Average speed cameras to become operational in effort to combat rising road deaths



  • #878
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,709 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754542#Comment_122754542

    Well there goes the narrative that they can only work on roads with no turn offs anyway!



  • #879
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122754601#Comment_122754601

    Colour me shocked! I for one was 100% sure that the narrative favoured by the motor industry lobbyists and sympathisers, which just happened to be anti-anything that might improve road safety at the cost of motoring convenience, was actually misguided. Shocked I am!

    If only we had a three-strikes-and-out policy to deal with liars and bull**it artists in life - caught lying or being completely wrong in your projections three times and nobody listens to you anymore. But a bit like the liar and coward running for the White House, it seems that a policy of brazening out your own lies and bulls**t is increasingly becoming an acceptable trait in society.



  • #880
    elchupanebrey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭elchupanebrey


    Would it not he possible nowadays to get a static camera that can take and record speed as you approach as well as average speed, or is that what these cameras do?



  • #881
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122757087#Comment_122757087

    Essentially they are different camera types. The average speed cameras are based on automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) and a clock to determine when a specific car entered and left the monitoring zone. As the distance is known, the elapsed time determines the speed - there is not integral speed measurement (laser, radar etc).

    The static cameras have integral speed measurement and video/photo recording triggered by vehicles exceeding a set threshold. It could also have ANPR to capture the reg numbers of cars triggering the camera or the reg numbers could be transcribed by whoever reviews the footage. I don't know what is in the current units.



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  • #882
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,903 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Shocker! Commish says speeding, no seat belt, distracted driving 'sometimes', are the culprits. And isn't it awful we have to enforce it, awful.

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  • #883
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122764755#Comment_122764755

    Whether it's the Dublin riots or road safety, Haris's default response to any crisis seems to be "This is terrible. Somebody should do something. Is there someone we can call?"



  • #884
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122764788#Comment_122764788

    It's particularly disappointing that he's waited until he's the lame duck Commissioner, working out his notice period, to actually recognise what's been happening on our roads for years.



  • #885
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    Not content with just running red lights, all cyclists must be drug dealers now too. 😂

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/cyclist-charged-possession-after-being-30246876



  • #886
    Gerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭Gerry


    got quite a bit of aggro this morning, white car passenger, and from a motorcyclist who decided I must have been holding him up.

    in other news my see.sense rear light parted company with the bike. if anyone sees it between maynooth and dublin.. let me know. thanks



  • #887
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122779441#Comment_122779441

    Plenty of aggro yesterday myself, albeit in the car. White van driver who I'd already observed pulling back in from a rat run short cut and immediately into the overtaking lane, decided I wasn't driving close enough to the car in front of me in stop/ start N11 rush hour traffic. Proceeded to accelerate up to me. When that didn't work he dropped back to flash me. When that didn't work he accelerated up to within a foot of my rear bumper at about 60kmph. When that didn't work he cut into the 'slow' lane to drive alongside me and swerve to within a foot of the passenger door. When that didn't work he dropped back and cut back in behind me, again with about a foot of distance. Eventually he gave up and just accepted that it was rush hour traffic, I was passing cars in the inside lane, and had no intention of driving to within a few feet of the car in front of me. He'd have gained about 20 metres and 3 seconds if I'd caved to his initial bullying and pulled over to let him pass. He'd have maybe ended up a couple of cars ahead of me before the traffic ground to a crawl again. What's the f**king point like? Is it his first time driving in rush hour?

    I know from experience what its like to encounter that kind of driver when I'm cycling. Never gets less shocking though.



  • #888
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,436 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There was a 16 year old boy killed on Saturday by a driver in a hit and run. Barely in the news for more than a few hours. Can't get my head around how accepted this kind of thing is in motordom. You would think there'd be national outrage. Saturday night too so you know he was drunk and/or high.



  • #889
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122779540#Comment_122779540

    This sort of behaviour is rampant on the M50... My journey and time is more important than anyone elses attitude.



  • #890
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827951#Comment_122827951

    And in those few hours, any report I saw said the poor lad was "struck by a car". Like it was some form of self-driving robot running amok and not the result of the actions of another person.



  • #891
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829637#Comment_122829637

    I think what was more noticable was the line in all articles that I read where "The vehicle involved in the collision failed to remain at the scene" - it was the car that made the decision to drive itself away



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  • #892
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827951#Comment_122827951

    It shows how little this country values life.

    Road deaths are Ireland's gun problem, its all thoughts and prayers but try change anything and its an attack on the hard working motorist.

    You've only to look at the responses to road safety advise posts by RSA and Gardai, the responses are about victim blaming by and large.



  • #893
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122829650#Comment_122829650

    We have a huge problem with self driving cars killing people in Ireland, you'd think that would be international news.

    Its just the media excusing the human element when it comes to people being killed.

    Its like every murder being reported as "Woman stabbed to death with knife and the knife failed to remain at the scene", zero mention of a person.



  • #894
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122828107#Comment_122828107

    Whatever about standard M50 behaviour (completely agree with you btw), I just can't wrap my head around aggro when traffic is backed up and the most you're going to gain is about 20ft/ 1.5 seconds. In fact it's half of what causes the congestion in the first place - accelerate-brake/ accelerate-brake, undertake-overtake/ undertake-overtake instead of just staying in your lane and adapting your speed to a constant appropriate to the traffic conditions. Driving standards are abysmal. This morning I had two cars in front of me approaching a roundabout (where I was taking third exit)… first one moved into the correct lane but didn't bother with any indicators at all and took the second exit. The second one, directly in front of me but in the left hand lane (i.e. 1st or 2nd exit) was indicating right but actually took the 2nd (i.e. straight on) exit. But didn't actually bother to indicate for the actual exit, just stopped indicating right.



  • #895
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122827951#Comment_122827951

    Maybe it's just my perception, but in the last 4/ 5 years there seems to have been a noticeable increase in the number of hit-and-run incidents, which if actually the case is pretty shocking but, as others have said, a to-be-expected reflection of changed attitudes towards road safety, rights of non-drivers to be on or near a road as well as some kind of growing notion of a right to autonomy as soon as you get behind the wheel where every effort to rein in bad driving is seen as nanny-stateism, them-v-us and an attack on the hard-pressed working Joe. Meanwhile in the corridors of power there is little more than a collective shrug.



  • #896
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Tailgating is a massive problem.....

    When out cycling, most of the really close passes are by a drive blindly following the vehicle in front, or vehicles .…They have no 'picture of the road ahead of them'.

    Close passes getting more frequent again....

    I wonder how many drivers have been prosecuted or had points for this offence since introduction. AGS make it so difficult to report these. They ask you retain original footage but you rarely get any update on the matter. Surely, there is no GDPR issue around telling you that unknown driver of X vehicle had 3 PTS on their licence. If it goes to court, the judge will tell all in the court what the verdict is, so why can't the Garda?

    Drug driving...

    The number of vehicles that pass me with the driver smoking weed. Maybe some are vapes but I doubt they are smoking weed flavoured vapes that don't have some buzz attached.

    Meanwhile on the roads ..., its rare you see a Garda car on traffic duty Where are all the 15min per Garda shift ?



  • #897
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830009#Comment_122830009

    The car-equivalent is more like reporting that a "woman was stabbed to death by a knife".



  • #898
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122830128#Comment_122830128

    That's another thing, the inability of cars to indicate when they intend to overtake something other than a car (and even then it'd be a long shot for them to indicate)… could be anything, a person out running, walking… a wheelie bin on the roadside… dog, pheasant… whatever about a cyclist travelling in the same direction. I'd say from my own observation it's about 15% - 20% of drivers are bothered to flick their finger and activate the indicator. I used to notice a LOT when out running… I'd make a point of only waving to oncoming cars who indicated. And maybe the odd car who wouldn't indicate but would at least pull well into the other lane to give space and provide a signal to following cars. But at least 50% of drivers wouldn't be bothered doing either. And then we get the bleating about "dangerous roads" whenever there's a tragedy. Boils my p!*s.



  • #899
    Kaisr Sose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,774 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    @Paddigol

    100% on the indication. Its a forgotten part of driving for many.

    Then there are those who indicate just at the junction or make an indication and then immediately manoeuvre like it's a golden ticket or magic shield exonerating them from any consequences. While cycling , it's normally no or a late indication left turn. If you challenge them, the usual response is 'I indicated...'.

    Unless I missed it somewhere, failure to indicate is not listed as a penalty point offence. It probably comes under the broader careless or without regard offences. That said, I wonder how many motorists have got points for it?



  • #900
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,436 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I remember a few years ago a woman in her 60s or 70s was killed in a hit and run in Galway I think, then I just never heard about it ever again.

    Only last year actually the link below.

    Like that's it? No follow ups? The poor family.

    Edit: Sheila Creedon was her name. Cant find anything on any arrests. Baffling how this is just shrugged off as collateral damage in motordom.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-80s-dies-following-galway-hit-and-run-1414953.html



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  • #901
    Paddigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122831075#Comment_122831075

    If you wanted to murder someone, the best option seems to be observe their movements for a few days, then just pick your time and spot to mow them down with a car and drive off.

    EDIT: That's a tongue-in-cheek observation by me btw… Not a comment on the tragic case mentioned by Thelonious Monk!



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