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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    By a lot of people turning on, tuning in and dropping out of reality under the direction of that expert and his spin on reality and unbelievable stuff. Repeat the lie often enough and the public will buy it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Game it out. (Popular vote, and electoral college)

    Harris wins by 6 points or more.

    Do ye think MAGA goes bezerk because "The polls said we'd win"?

    I can see violence happening. Those brave souls with their Harris signs on their yard may be first.

    Harris wins by 5 points or less:

    MAGA, "The election was stolen, the polls said we'd win."

    Minor skirmishes break out. Police on top of it.

    Trump wins by 5 points or less:

    Dems, "We knew it would be a close race, we'll have to have a good look at those results."

    Some violence, from MAGA celebrating the win. Harris supporters look at moving abroad, but won't.

    Trump wins by 6 points or more:

    Dems, "This was a crooked election, bought by the oligarchy".

    Violent rioting on the streets from MAGA in celebration.

    Why do I see MAGA rioting more than Dems? Jan 6th. They haven't gone away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Repeat the lie often enough and the public will buy it”

    funny - I said that many posts ago and was ridiculed for saying it and called a “Trump supporter” and they said the only people who would buy that are “die hard MAGA supporters” - and that there was nothing to worry about - I wonder where those poster are now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Just a reminder that Trump still refuses to accept that he lost the popular vote in 2016, and also claimed victory in 2020.

    Worth adding with all the chatter about polls this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Trump wins, I expect that all of the top Democratic politicians will attend his inauguration, although it would be an interesting spectacle, given that Harris has now said that she considers Trump to be a fascist. I'm not sure how she would sit there and look stoic.

    If Harris wins, Trump would not go within an ass's roar of the inauguration. He will never admit defeat unless it makes the difference between going to prison or not, but even then would revert back to not admitting defeat when the heat was off.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Trump ahead in Pa for the first time. It’s all heading the wrong way. I can’t for the life of me understand what he’s doing to convince undecided voters to go his way, but he’s doing it.

    It’s not a matter of Harris being a poor candidate, they could sit it out. People are choosing Trump.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    well in the interest of balance on an Irish website -he was also president from 2016-2020



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    People on here seem to forget he was nearly assassainted live on TV in that state, might be part the reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Most important for the US and the rest of the world that catches a cold when America sneezes, which version of the Eagle arises in 2025, the American Eagle or the Russian Eagle?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    my take is that Harris has spent too much time trying to convince people not to vote for Trump and not enough time convincing them to vote for her

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    he was losing until today though. That doesn’t make any sense.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    What is that meant to mean? I know full well he was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Yeah posted this a few days ago but it seems obvious now that there is a movement towards Trump. Not a massive movement but with the margins so fine it massively increases the chance of a Trump win. We're in for a rocky four years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    that’s down to the American people - completely out of the hands of an Irish discussion website where 95% + of contributors don’t have a vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I don’t blame Harris - when I look back on the strategy for the debate wit h Trump , she had a huge agenda to cover - I thought she did really well overall but she couldn’t possibly cover all bases - and I think that’s been the issue ever since too - he’s had such longevity he’s deep rooted and even just something that could be just totally stupid, but was mentioned in the NYTIMES article I posted earlier this evening - younger people have essentially grown up with him - to them “Trump is normal politics” - it might not make sense to you or me but I can see how it makes total sense to a generation under 25/6 years old - total sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    When the Trump campaign took off in earnest for his earlier election bids, I laughed at the photo images of the two elderly gents wearing the red "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" t-shirts, thinking they had to be taking the p*ss, that they were living in the world's greatest democracy at the same time. Trump came out of nowhere. I didn't yet get that he had basically mesmerized them into believing his spin and that he would manage to do the same to the GOP voters. He's an insidious sod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    This is still a tight race imo, regardless of polls. All depends on who shows up to actually vote and that's what counts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Utterly depressing state of affairs the world is in.


    Can’t see any silver linings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    He played dirty from the get go and the memes he used stuck in a lot of peoples minds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I don't think we're going to see violence, not in any meaningful sense anyway, if Trump loses, by any amount MAGA will think it was stolen from him and without Trump directing them to react violently, they'll lack the direction or focus to react. I'm sure there'll be small scale events in places but nothing that will be identifiable as being movement co-ordinated.

    Simply put, I don't think Trump has the energy to react to a defeat as he did in 2020.

    It could be that polls are being manipulated to be close, by all sides, to keep people motivated to stay involved and to make sure they vote. If Democrats thought 12 days out that Harris had it in the bag, the likelihood of a significant number of them deciding there's no need to vote is something that cannot be ignored.

    America needs to question massively how so many are actively choosing someone who was bad in the job, disastrous when he lost, and has committed criminal acts around his time in office. The majority of his close hires are saying to not vote for him, and yet, half the country right now seem to want him. That is a problem for America that is way deeper than the polls and will extend for way longer than the election or the term of the administration.

    America now has at least half of its electorate that is choosing to ignore the reality that is front of it and to be manipulated by the whims of two billionaires (Musk/Trump et al) one who is a felon, the other who is an immigrant who have convinced them that they are not the elites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “He's an insidious sod.”


    I think you’re giving him too much credit - this “monster” is far bigger than Trump - and proof is simply how Trump has acted throughout the election - for me he acted like an idiot and polls still remained strong - you can’t do that as a person as a candidate and expect your polls to remain strong - you just can’t - this is a movement in my view - far bigger than the token face of Trump that’s headlining this movement - he served chips- the only “stunt” that I actually admired as worthy of Trump 2016- and quite possibly his ratings rose -well they certainly didn’t fall that’s for sure - but my key point is, and I think from your post you agree, “he can do no wrong” IN TERMS OF- his poll ratings - no one in modern times can do that bar a sitting dictator - Putin can do it - some idiot leader in South America can do it - not in America - this is bigger than Trump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Agree.

    This seems years in the making from something or someone America has missed and been asleep at the wheel with.

    They are about to turn the corner into not been the most powerful country on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Harris, Biden connection maybe her downfall in the long term. As for Trump, so many negative stories are aired constantly that people take no notice, almost come immune to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭badabing106


    Wow .This is unreal. 2,500 fraudulent ballots dropped off in two batches in Lancaster , Pennsylvania!

    http://.https://www.yahoo.com/news/2-500-suspected-fraudulent-voter-175714837.html

    https://youtu.be/N6WZ3_8YgSU?si=nY8sRv6ilDAu5FiT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “They are about to turn the corner into not been the most powerful country on the planet.”

    That’s certainly a huge fear in itself -the threat of China invading Taiwan in 2027 or close to that - I think with much more complex politics than “communism vs democracy” America just can’t cope with the new ways of world - Russia invading Ukraine- they don’t have an answer - Israel destroying Gaza without a ceasefire or resolution or indeed a victory - they don’t have an answer - I believe they’re frozen with fear or indecision or both



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,572 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Being perfectly honest, if Harris loses, the Democratic Party deserves the lion’s share of the blame (well, alongside all those powerful people who’ve spent untold resources propping up Trump and his nonsense). Harris is ‘competent’ and qualified for sure, but her platform is largely uninspired, her proposed changes unremarkable at best, she’s rowed back on a bunch of progressive policies she has actively supported in the past (not unfairly giving some the impression she stands for very little), and she’s actively supporting some atrocious and deeply unpopular things like the slaughter in Gaza. Her campaign has chosen to platform some bizarre allies like the Cheneys. She’s not the most inspiring or charismatic orator (her running mate is actually a lot better in that regard), and she struggles to articulate her vision succinctly beyond just criticising Trump. She’s a fairly middle-of-the-road Dem candidate, honestly.

    And that’s not even getting into how the Dems propped up Biden for so long in the first place, taking international embarrassment on an unprecedented scale to actually change course. That shaped this entire election campaign.

    Of course the Dems are the ‘better’ option in a two horse race when the opposition is so appalling and clownish. Obviously the consequences in areas like abortion and immigrant rights will be catastrophic if Trump gets in, not to mention likely democratic backsliding. It is baffling to me the man draws so much support when he’s clearly a petty, childish egoist driven largely by spite. But the Dems can’t just rely on being ‘not Trump’ forever - eventually, they need to articulate a vision for their country that actually inspires the unconverted.

    The neoliberal status quo has left a lot of people disillusioned and angry - we’re seeing that right across western democracies at the moment. Centre-right parties have ceded a lot of ground to extremists because they have little interest in actually fixing the underlying inequalities and problems in society (and the far-right only offering punishing and blaming immigrants for every ill in society is a miserable, repugnant strategy of its own). The Dems fall right into that trap. No wonder so many people are uninspired by what they’re selling.

    I think if Trump wins - seemingly more likely by the day recently - there’ll be the same blame game we saw in 2016, with particular ire directed towards Trump voters. But IMO a primary party deserving of scorn will be the Democratic Party itself. Trump is a beatable and fragile opponent. If the Dems struggled to communicate a winning vision to voters, something has absolutely gone wrong in the party (and any casual observer can see that).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    it might be the “technicality” that points were awarded to the victor, but I don’t blame her necessarily - she needed the support of Biden in the first instance - I think in recent times she’s likely listening to her own advisers more now as I’ve seen a change in how more confident she speaks as a independent leader - but she did make a major boo boo early on in an interview saying there was nothing she’d change about current policies - that made her weak and subservient to Biden in my view and cost her dearly - I understand why she said that- she was trying to get on board the mainstream voters - but I think she lost her chance with the important swing voters and she didn’t have the confidence at the time to stand out on her own



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Trump doing a mini rally in Austin on immigration, Rogan podcast after that, and then off to Michigan to do a rally, guy is a machine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭doyle55


    Surprised at that I thought Trump would be well ahead as Republican pollsters are flooding the 2024 election.



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