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Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Decision making in the second half was a big factor, taking the ball in to contact unnecessarily cost Roscommon scores and the resulting turnover ended up as a Dublin score.

    The Dublin bench is phenomenal though, it's a hard slog against the first 15 but many Dublin subs would be automatic starters on many other teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    What's the feeling like in Roscommon for Saturday's match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    A lot of that ended up pretty much as I expected - decent patches in the first half against a very average team, in good position at half-time, show very little desire early in the second-half to actually go on and win the game, inevitably concede a preventable goal or two, wake up waaay too late and really go for it. Lose.

    Mayo were there for the taking. And we still didn't beat them.

    Early on Roscommon pressed up three times on Mayo's kikcouts and caused huge problems, including forcing a Mayo player to pass directly back to his goalie for a tapover free. And what happens next? Roscommon don't contest another Mayo kickout for 20 minutes. WHAT THE F*CK!!! Obviously the team were playing to instructions, but why would you instruct a team to stop doing something that was clearly working? If I had enough hair I'd have been pulling it out throughout the first-half.

    And again, just like Dublin, on our kickouts there was absolutely nobody REALLY looking for the ball, giving the goalie no option but to kick it long where we (shock horror) lost most breaking balls.

    In general, there's simply not enough Roscommon players supporting other Roscommon players in possession, giving them an option, helping them when in trouble or simply forcing the opposition to allocate numbers to cater for your dummy runs, etc. There just seems to be a general lack of honesty in the team at present.

    I seldom miss a game, but I'm seriously considering not bothering going to another game this season (might only be one), because I'm watching a team that simply isn't giving everything they have. There are a few exceptions, but there seems to be a malaise in the team and it's just pathetic to look at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Rossie4ever


    Any word on how bad Enda's injury is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Rossie4ever


    Looks like the AFL are after Daire Cregg going by this article

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41409974.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    That would be a disaster for Roscommon. He has been one of the few shining lights this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Rossie4ever


    Disaster is right for us but it would be a great opportunity for him. I'm finding it hard to be optimistic for the future for Roscommon seniors if he goes and if a few of the more senior players decide to call it a day after this season ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    It's a long process for any GAA player before they get selected for Aussie rules. That's just trial and numerous young GAA players partake in that and progressing no further. What I'd question is the timing of those trials, they (the AFL teams) clearly don't care at all about the players some of which Daire Cregg Included who should be allowed to focus fully on their championship matches.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Well let's be straight about it, I sure didn't see that coming!

    After not going to the Cavan game on a point of prinicple because of the terrible 'effort' against Mayo, I decided to go to Omagh not even in hope or expectation, but just to see the team for the last time in 6/7 months. I'm glad I did.

    As silly as it sounds for the first time all year Roscommon really looked like they wanted to win the bloody game. Without meaning to throw a dampner on it, Tyrone definitely helped them. Their first half was as bad as I've ever seen from a Tyrone team. They were terrible. But even with a 6 point lead at half-time, knowing Roscommon's tendency to fade in the second half I couldn't really relax until the game was actually over.

    There was definitely more energy about Roscommon than there has been all year, although it can still be improved on the breaks, when I really think enough players aren't bursting their guts to support the player in possession. Robbie Dolan epitomised this energy as he was literally everywhere, even competing for long kickouts despite his size.

    As we know, Roscommon are very good finishers and today Diarmuid and Darragh Cregg gave an exhibition of top-class finishing. Tyrone on the other hand were constantly looking for Darragh Canavan (and he is class) and not looking to take on the shot themselves. It really was shocking to see them not trying from what looked like reasonable range. Having said that, Roscommon defended very well and didn't just turnover Tyrone numerous times, but blocked or half-blocked a large amounts of shots, which in this day and age is something you don't see much of (and may be becuase of Tyrone's attacking hesitancy).

    Anyway, a really enjoyable result, but I would prefer if we did not get Kerry in the draw. Roscommon's infuriating unpredictability could see them show way too much respect for Kerry in the same way they do for Mayo and getting beaten easily. However, I really think Roscommon could beat Armagh and while Donegal have serious speed on the counter-attack it's still winable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rn


    Well now how nice is it waking up this morning? Credit to the team that's our best championship result since Armagh in 2018. And one of best performances since Mayo quarter final in croke park.

    I said before the game I felt everything would have to go right for us and everything go wrong for Tyrone for us to come away with the win. And that seemed to be the way it turned out.

    I didn't travel. But looking at highlights last night it did strike me that the biggest factor in our win was Tyrone were very very poor on defence. Uncharacteristically so. We seemed to be unmarked. But credit to our guys, we also brought our shooting boots and could score from distance (unlike Mayo in the Derry game and that cost them big time)

    Tyrone brought a lot more directness in 2nd half, but we kept score board ticking over.

    I would argue that performance and result was born out of the 3 performances in our group. We played well I thought v Dublin and 12 points margin was flattering to them. I actually thought we put in a decent effort v Mayo - the result didn't go our way. We put in a 65 minute performance v Mayo, more than we did all year. And the Cavan game was a banana skin game for us. Losing simply wasn't acceptable - but we've lost to Division 2 teams the last 2 years at this level of championship. An expected win for Roscommon is rarely delivered outside Connacht.

    Conversely Tyrone believed their own hype. Everything was going for them. 2nd in their group after 3 good performances, 2 good results. Recent memories for a lot of players of dismissing us easily enough in championship. Conn Fitzpatrick 2 game ban overturned. They were at home in Omagh. The omens were great.

    They completely underestimated Roscommon (sure we all did). And paid a heavy price for a terrible opening 35.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    In the end Roscommon proved to be good enough and didn't need a kind draw to reach the last eight.

    As I said a few month ago reaching Ireland Quarter final should be achievable for any team playing in Division one . Last year and 2022 Roscommon appeared to be maxed out by June and ended up losing to teams (Clare,Cork) they should be beating. This year timed their run better were fresher,fitter for the challenge of Tyrone away and got a deserved win. Interesting match against Armagh next, recovery after that match last Saturday will be key against what is a rested opponent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Rossie4ever


    Best of luck to the players and management tomorrow. We are well capable of winning this game but it will be tough as Armagh are a good team. Hopefully there will be a big Roscommon crowd tomorrow at the match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Just back and only for the Galway result afterwards I'd be in a much worse mood.

    The lack of energy was back with a vengeance in the first half. Roscommon (unusually) really struggled to score, or even look like scoring. I thought Armagh had their homework done on Roscommon's shooters, but that's where others have to take up the mantle, although fair play to Higgins, McCormack and Stack in that regard, they did their bit. Roscommon actually defended quite well, but their approach play was soooooo slow, just as it has been for a lot of the year. They just look like a team that doesn't have a high enough fitness level to make the lung-bursting runs that are part of the modern game.

    I know the red card had a huge bearing on the game, but it was only after it happened that Roscommon seemed to awake from their slumber. If they had played with that sort of life in the first half it could have been a lot different, because truthfully that Armagh team are very ordinary. They will not win their semi-final, no matter who it's against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    High fitness level does seem to require more work for Roscommon and playing a 3rd match in 14 days yesterday probably highlighted it. Playing with 14 men for half the game is the last thing any team would have wanted off the back of that schedule and the goose was cooked with a real give away 2nd goal to put six points between the teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Very interesting weekend on the club front.

    Brigid's losing to Pearses will have pleased the four remaining teams. I thought Pearses deserved to win. They just seemed that little hungrier and I also thought Brigids were a little flat all day.

    The Gaels should have beaten Boyle by a lot more, but never really looked in trouble. They are capable of beating Pearses, whereas I'm not sure they believe they can beat Brigids.

    Faithleachs had a great win against the odds. It would be nice to see the Murtaghs win a county title, but I'm not sure they're good enough.

    Glaveys, similarily, have some fine players, but I'm not convinced they're good enough either.

    I think it's between the Gaels and Pearses and as a former Gaels man myself I would love to see what is a very promising but very young side go all the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rn


    With Brigid's gone - it's wide open.

    Amazing they were 10 minutes from lifting the all ireland last January. Gone at the first knock out game in 2024 - fairly sweet revenge for Pearses.

    Id agree with you that be nice to see Faithleachs take it. But I think Pearses have the experience to not be caught now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Saw the Geals once or twice this year, they look good. It's quite possible Pearse's have played their final already, so I'd fancy Geals.

    St Brigid's will be ruing bringing Anthony back, looks like poor, backward looking decision. I'm not sure he'd have made good use of Ben if he did have him available



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    So Pearses and the Gaels it is.

    Nothing really needs to be said about Pearses. They did what they had to do against a disappointing Faithleachs.

    The Gaels got by by the skin of their teeth. After giving away two brutally soft goals, they showed tremendous guts and character to come back into the game and after the second goal score four points in a row to draw. Then straight at the start of extra time Glaveys get another (good) goal but from then on it was all the Gaels. Glaveys just ran out of legs, with a lot of lads cramping, while the Gaels were full of running right to the very end.

    There's no doubt Pearses will be favourites and rightfully so, as they have a very strong, experienced team, but I wouldn't rule out this Gaels team. They're very young, but they don't get disheartened. They just keep going and they always seem to have a lot of possession. Here's hoping.

    I'm not normally overly critical of referees, but the ref today thought he was reffing a game of soccer. He was very poor. He gave some completely head-scratching frees for both sides and nearly spoiled a very entertaining match, which featured some great scores from both sides. I hope he's not reffing the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Pearses won by a mere 2 points in the end, after controlling the match from early on.

    Just as I said previously, they have a strong, experienced team and they looked that for most of the match, scoring some lovely scores on a tough day to play football. But the Gaels did themselves proud with a fantastic last 10 minutes where they nearly stole it in the end.

    They were 6 points down and deservedly so, but suddenly all the indescision and mistakes that typified their game disappeared and they totally dominated the last period of the match reducing the lead to only one point and were possibly unlucky not to get a draw. However, if they did, Pearses would be scratching their head wondering how they ended up in that position.

    Pearses will be tough opposition in Connacht. Moycullen are the one team that possibly could beat them (assuming they win Galway, which I expect them to), but they won't fear anyone.

    The Gaels are exceptionally young but they showed enough guts and promise to make them serious contenders next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭Rossie4ever


    Anyone have any idea when details of the London fixture will be announced?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    What are you thinking now after Corofin beat Moycullen comfortably? sets up a 2019 rematch in Tuam with Pearses that Corofin won by 6 points but it was level with 42 minutes played and Corofin pushed clear with a Liam Silke goal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Yeah, that's twice in a row that I expected more of Moycullen. I thought they'd be Brigid's main opposition last year too.

    I don't think Corofin are anything special. It's between the two of them I suspect.

    I think Pearses are a better side now than they were a few years ago. They seem to have lost that super-cautious fear-filled way which often had them barely hanging on in matches they should have won comfortably. Their forwards are definitely better which helps, as they are now able to add to leads rather than holding on to them.

    Anyway, despite the fact that they have been a hard side to root for (very, very cynical) I'll always hope a Roscommon side can go as far as possible and I think winning Connacht is within their capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Well done Pearses. Easily the better team for most of the match, even though there was maybe an element of their old habit of 'hanging on' for some of the second half.

    Their first half performance was superb, probably as good as the club has ever produced. Their attack really is way ahead of what they had a few years ago. Ross Munnelly definitely has had an influence there. They look dangerous any time they have the ball now and throw in the fact that they remain very good defensively, they could be going a long way yet. Hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Pearse's have undoubtedly improved over the last year or so, much better going forward then the previous iteration under Flanagan and no longer the dogs of war of the Dalys and the likes.

    Some hype around Corofin again, as with any Galway team that wins 2 games in a row it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Pearses win today was similar to the margin and manner Brigids beat Corofin last year.  Be interesting to see can Pearses go as far as Brigids, good balance to their team with nice blend of youth and experience.

    The bookies and their punters strangely underestimated Pearses, only two years ago they won Connacht beating the best in Galway,Mayo and took out Brigids on route to winning Roscommon this year.

    Will be Paul Carey be part of the Roscommon senior panel next year? Conor Ryan who was a county U20 player this year looks ready to made the step up to senior county level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭rn


    Didn't hear Galway Bay FMs pre match this year, but in 2023 for the Brigid's game it was shocking bad. Completely dismissing that Brigid's were gonna bring anything and talking about a showdown with Kilmacud...

    You can't say corofin weren't warned that had a task ahead of them. But Pearses were excellent. Now they should have had corofin out of gap earlier, but the 6 point margin was fair reflection on Pearses dominance of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    I heard on the radio this morning that after Glin losing in Derry, the bookies had Corofin installed as favourites for the All-Ireland club title. I nearly crashed the car!!

    Honestly, how could anybody have come up with logical reasoning for that?

    Only heard later then that Pearses were around 3/1 to beat Corofin and 7/1 to win Connacht. If only I had looked. They were two very good value bets.

    And I'm not aftertiming, just a few posts back I said I didn't think Corofin were anything special and Pearses were well capable of winning Connacht.

    Just shows there's always value bets out there if you look hard enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    If any Galway team wins two games in a row, they are automatically All Ireland contenders. Thems the rules!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Pique




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Jesus, I always associate the name Moffatt with Mayo!

    It's an inside job, I tells ya.



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