Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Hope I am proven wrong but for the first time in a while for me it appears Trump is going to prevail by the skin of his teeth.KH seems to have stalled in terms of any momentum she had a few weeks back .While the margins are very small I really thought she would put a small bit if daylight between herself and Trump ,it doesn't look like that has happened.

America has free press, opposition parties, judicial system etc etc. None of that changed under Trump. The first thing fascists do is ban opposition parties, discontinue elections and end free press. Trump did none of this.

Trump complaining about the media all the time doesn't indicate fascism. This is what all politicians do - they complain about the media.

No moderate person uses this kind of language.

Discontinue elections? Trump lost the election fair and square, he tried to steal it in the courts and by ordering his VP to refuse to certify legitimate election results. So that fits the bill. He failed - that doesn't make him any less of a fascist.

Trump publicly threatened to withdraw a TV station's licence because of unfavourable coverage. So that fits the bill.

In his first administration, he was kept in check by people he appointed. One of which is now calling him a fascist with contempt for rule of law.

Judicial system - what is going around demanding "Lock her up!"?
Again, he was stymied by people in the Justice department.
Now he is promising to fire people from civil service.
That will allow him to weaponise the Justice department.
So that fits the bill.

Next time round, there won't be any such people loyal to the Constitution and country first. Only Trump loyalists. That is also a hallmark of fascism, cult of the leader.

No moderate person? Well no moderate person uses the language Trump uses about his political opponents. They have been called 'vermin' and 'retarded'. He engages in race baiting inflammatory racist language, spreading scurrilous rumours to demonise minorities such as that they are eating pets.

Yet you give him a free pass for that but only seem to wake up to be bothered enough when someone calls him out on it. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

He did remove opposition to himself from the Republican party. Anyone who disagrees with him at all is a RINO and hounded out of relevance for daring to question him. You could replace Kamala with a host of Democrat politicians and not much would change. The Republicans are just Trump's party. Funding has been diverted from the party to his legal battles. The party was a whole now just exists to serve him and will have one hell of a time reestablishing itself when he eventually does move on.

He tried to get press passes removed for networks critical to him. His administration wanted to aid from COVID from getting to states that didn't vote for him, while hurricane funding has gone generously to Republican states under Biden.

The fact that the checks and balances stopped him before does not mean he should be given another go. There is a reason so few people from his previous administration want to work with him again.

Its not embarrassing for Harris. Its embarrassing for the US nation that tens of millions could be so deluded/brainwashed as to vote for a convicted felon who tried to subvert the result of an election. I will always allow that any nation will have a share of nutcases but tens of millions! I saw an elderly lady in North Carolina describe Trump as a man of integrity. What??

He spoke forcefully and frequently about wishing he could control the media. While President and even recently after Kamala beat him in the debate.

And Trump won in 2016 partly on the back of telling his rallies he was going to jail Hillary. He spoke about justification for doing things that conflicted with the Constitution and how great it would be if could be President for longer than just 2 terms.

The most famous (or referenced fascists) in history didn't arrive and do their worst on day one, they ultimately did those things after years of increasing their control and security.

Trump isn't a successful fascist (relatively speaking with respect to his own desires and the outcome of his actions) but this isn't like going to college and having to qualify to be considered a teacher or engineer or whatever.

Bidens Administration has been less than perfect on Israel. Meanwhile Trump has literally said that he'd allow Israel to "Finish the job". Gaza will be flattened into a beach resort for Trump and his mates if he gets in.

If your main point of contention about Harris' integrity is about her Gaza policy then that contention applies tenfold to Trump.

Then there's the little matter of all the other dozens and dozens of Trumps transgressions(Sexual misconduct, convictions, cuddly relationships with dictators, inciting a riot on the capitol) that do not in any way apply to Harris.

You and your Trump loving mates are so deep in the double standard its flowing out your ears.

Just to preempt your reply to me if there was one forthcoming. You understand it's a two horse race right? You get to choose one.

Pointing out that one candidate is worse than the other on a given point of grievance is a completely valid observation when deciding the worthiness of which candidate to choose.

It's a good analogy that was made earlier in the thread.

You are served two plates of food. A dog turd and a cheese and pickle sandwich.You must eat one. You then proceed first and foremost to complain about the taste of pickles and how you don't like their texture.

This is what you and the critics of Kamala are doing. It makes no sense except in a context of bad faith argument.

Surprised there has been no discussion of this. This would seem to fit the description of treason by Musk and could well be the October Surprise…

Tech billionaire Elon Musk has been in regular contact with Russian President Vladimir Putin since late 2022, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.

According to the Journal's intelligence sources, Musk and Putin continued to have talks into this year, even as Musk began to ramp up his criticism of U.S. military support for Ukraine and became actively involved in the election campaign of Republican candidate and former President Donald Trump.

It’s mentioned in parallel Russia thread

Guys here haven’t connected the dots yet from Putin to Trump via Musk

There is deathly silence too in the Israel thread about the other WSJ bombshell dropped today of Russia directly helping Houtis in Yemen attack shipping (same Russia last few weeks trying sink UN food aid shipping in Black Sea destined for Palestinians)

To me, this smacks of treason.

It'll be fascinating to see how the US media covers it - and how Trump responds to questions about it.

Have seen Trump supporters elsewhere online ask the question 'Without mentioning Trump or Jan 6th, can you tell me why you're voting for………'

I mean, there are answers, but if you have to start your question like that in a 2 horse race, you should really stop and think about it.