Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Can you be more specific? Why do you think she's a poor communicator? Who in your view is a good communicator?

Yes it causes division but calling someone a communist or fascist is totally different than calling someone Hitler,

Why can't you just admit its crazy carry on to spew what Obama did and 12 hours later to be calling someone Hitler on live TV

Do you think that is right ? please don't answer with " but Trump "

One is very different though. There's no backing evidence for Harris being a covert communist. There's a strong factual basis for fascistic tendencies with Trump so not exactly like for like.

It would be like saying it's toxic to refer to Trump as racist. It's pretty clearly not since there's a factual basis for the claims.

Not being toxic doesn't mean not dealing with how a candidate conducts themselves.

I expect that the outcome of the race will be down to the strength of the "I distrust" level being a huge factor, along with the "dislike" factor of the voters opinions, which candidate gets the most hits on that point as reflected by the tally each gets. The abortion rights issue should harm Trump as it's about health as much as personal religious belief.

Post-election poll results will be interesting.

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I’d love for those that think “both candidates are unfit” to actually explain what makes both candidates unfit.

Trump was asked a question.

“If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and, if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance?”

His answer.

“Well, I would do that, and we’re sitting down—you know, I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that—because look, child care is childcare, it’s—couldn’t, you know, it’s something, you have to have it, in this country you have to have it.

But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to—but they’ll get used to it very quickly—and it’s not gonna stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including childcare, that it’s going to take care.

We’re gonna have—I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with childcare. I want to stay with childcare, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just—that I just told you about.

We’re gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as childcare is talked about as being expensive, it’s relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re gonna make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world.

Let’s help other people, but we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about ‘Make America Great Again.’

We have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation, so we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question. Thank you.”

Can any of the people concerned about Harris' responses in interviews tell us what specific piece of legislation Trump is going to advance to help with childcare.

FFS, it's 4 years since he bragged about being able to pass a 5 word cognitive test and ye are all in here treating him like he's William F Buckley.

He might still win this election, but he will never be more capable, competent or suitable for the office than Harris and its one of the most significant political acts of our lifetimes that the Republican party let him take it over.

She struggles to put her thoughts into simple English. That is what you need to do - connect with the average voter - and to connect with average voter you also need to be able to connect to the not so bright voters!

Both Obama's, most if not all US presidents that I can remember have been good at it - even Bush for all his gaffs. Watch Obama - you can actually see him struggle at times when he is trying to simplify what he is saying.

Trump isn't a great speaker but he usually has a very simple message.

MAGA.

Tariffs.

Deportations.

Lock her up.

…”even Bush for all his gaffs.”

100% correct. His speeches in the main were short simple language sentences - easy to understand.

Obama was a far superior orator - but boy did he speak a hell of a lot of waffle and probably bored a lot of his listeners to sleep .

Trump as we know just comes out with hatred and what not - but again it’s VERY simple language - inflammatory- absolutely it is - but it’s also memorable and always has been - and retaining these messages in voters minds is bound to resonate in the quiet of the polling booth - fear of immigrant attacks; fear of job losses; fear of alternative energy at the additional household costs that may bring no less an increase in supermarket prices - all that “stuff”,will be there in the minds of voters in the polling booths-

but that’s pretty much his campaign message successfully delivered - job done. Trump has had nearly a whole year to work on peoples fears - and he may yet be successful - Harris has had only a few months in comparison to convince voters there’s an alternative way - a tough gig.

…and its one of the most significant political acts of our lifetimes that the Republican party let him take it over.

The Republican party establishment very much did not want Trump to begin with, but their base wanted him and both US parties are at least democratic enough that they must become a reflection of their voter base in order to remain electable.

It's a bit like those horror or sci-fi films where the opening scene shows scientists in some clandestine facility creating a kind of biological weapon like a killer disease or mutant supersoldier. Then, there's some sort of leak or malfunction in the containment area, leading to their subject getting loose and killing everyone in the facility before going on the rampage.

The Tea Party was the monster that the Republican created and thought they could control, but at some point it mutated into Trumpism and turned on its creator. Now the Republican party works for it, rather than the other way around. They need to in order to keep their jobs and be physically safe from the hordes of screeching MAGA hat wearers.

The real time to defeat Trumpism was around 2008 when former Speaker and Republican strategist Newt Gingrich devised the strategy of total oppositionality to the Democrats.

https://history.princeton.edu/about/publications/burning-down-house-newt-gingrich-fall-speaker-and-rise-new-republican-party

A key quote from Obama in this text:

When Donald Trump was elected president in 2016, President Obama observed that Trump “is not an outlier; he is a culmination, a logical conclusion of the rhetoric and tactics of the Republican Party.”

Agreed 100 % .

Nipping that strategy in the bud would have been the way to stop Trumpism, but that didn't happen and Trump's rise became an inevitability.

I think you mean dupe the average voter. Very easy to sloganise if you're just chanting - honestly made up drivel which doesn't connect to reality - like that which doesn't amount to anything. You can put things into very simple English if you're being simplistic about it.

If Harris did that, guaranteed there would be posters on this thread criticising her for 'dumbing down' and 'regurgitating' while never making the same comment about Trump.

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And there's another one for the ignore list.

Better to discuss your abortion fantasies on the abortion thread. They're perverse