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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Polling misses in Trump's favour makes sense - in that he gets a lot of votes from people distrustful of pollsters.

    A polling miss in Harris's favour because traditional Republican voters switch to her doesn't make as much sense simply because the polls should pick up those switchers.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People who claim to be on the fence, but bend over backwards to ignore and avoid speaking ill of Trump and nitpick Harris for anything and everything.

    Question dodged though. Cool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Sure iv'e called Trump all sorts of names in this thread even got a warning for one post go back and look i couldn't be bothered iv'e nothing to prove. Iv'e never said im on the fence i have stated they are both incredibly bad candidates. I'm massively disappointed in Harris though as i'd expected better from her.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    My understanding is a lot of the models have been adjusted since 2016 to try to take account of the 'silent Trump' vote and polling misses (as much as possible in an innately imprecise process).

    Whether they've been over or underadjusted in either direction we'll only really find out in two weeks.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cool.

    So any chance you'll be answering my question then:

    But what if, for a random example, she's asked to comment on a statement made by a former Trump staffer.

    What should she do in this case in your opinion?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,608 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes she just regurgitates the same stock phrases and tries to blame Trump for everything.

    I don't understand why she cant prepare proper answers, its not like she doesnt know what she is likely to be asked.

    Her answers are like something youd get out of a beta version of Chatgpt.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Trump supporters.

    You haven't called him out for those statements.

    Are his statements different from people calling him a fascist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Harris is a perfectly acceptable candidate and will make a more than adequate president relative to what is gone before.

    Trump, well we have already seen that movie, it ended in the capitol being stormed.

    Probably be better if you detailed what exactly you think a good president is or non "bad", what qualities or characteristics you are looking for and what policies you would think a president of your liking would propose or be able to get through a system which is primarily based on division?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Well if they did they didn't do a very good job in 2020. People forget because Biden won but there was a massive polling miss that year as well. He was meant to win reasonably comfortably but in the end it went down to the wire in multiple states (again).

    I remember watching it that night and being shocked that not only had his 2016 vote held up but that his raw vote numbers increased.

    Needless to say I was shocked in 2016 as well. So yeah I won't be taking anything for granted this time around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    About 538's win probability percentage. This is from their own analysis:

    "Still, a word of caution: You might be tempted to make a big deal about our forecast “flipping” to Trump, but it’s important to remember that a 52-in-100 chance for Trump is not all that different from a 58-in-100 chance for Harris — both are little better than a coin flip for the leading candidate."

    So if they are saying that 52% for Trump is basically the same as 58% for Harris, that percentage isn't really worth anything in a close race.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you say so.

    No one has called him out for his statements.

    Do you believe that him calling Harris a communist is different that people calling him a fascist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    She is a poor a communicator. She cannot change that over night.

    The democrats were daft enough not to see that running Biden was going to be a disaster. They should of had a backup plan that wasn't an unpopular VP that had a disastrous primary campaign in 2019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    I would forget the polls unless there from a reputable independent pollster. The republicans are dropping polls every second day. The early vote data is probably the best to start looking at from next week. I think it will come down to how many republicans vote for Harris. I think i read somewhere that was about 9%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yeah I get that. What I was really remarking on was the fact that his momentum had been broken. In the time that I've been following that model it went from something like 65% Harris, steadily down to 47% Harris (ie 53% Trump). At that rate the concern was that in another 2 weeks that it would be something like 65% Trump if his momentum in the polls had kept up.

    The difference between 65% Trump and 51% Trump really would be significant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    What Would a clear example of being in a Democratic cult looks like ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Because they are inwardly ashamed of their hate and so deny it exists? (works both ways I am sure)

    When I first went to America I was told by a friend around the time (60s) that cars had tried to run him down because his hair was long.

    (In England the car I was in was harrassed and one of the occupants put it down to its Irish reg plates- on a squaddy town)

    My own experience of USA was horrendous.but I have come across "no blacks" signs in Belgium too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    A lot of commentators have been saying that Harris has a higher ceiling of support than Trump, and that would be supported by his momentum stalling. I think a win for Harris is in turnout, which I think will be driven quite high by women voting against the Roe decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    No its not different but calling someone a communist or a fascist is different then calling someone Hitler,



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok. So then when Trump called Harris a communist out to destroy America, he was also sowing division?

    Or is it ok to accuse people of being a communist/fascist, but it's not ok to call someone Hitler?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    All wrong. She's an excellent communicator, a pleasure to listen to. Ever listen to a Trump speech? Torture.

    The mistake, perhaps, was not running Harris sooner, a few months on the campaign vs. Trump and she'd have him completely done for. She's only been campaigning since July. Imagine if she'd had a year or two, way more money over all that time, and Trump would've imploded long ago with all the highly successfully communicated needling causing him to lose what little remains of his s**t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    I think Harris repeating the same rehearsed answers is a feature rather than a bug, i.e. it is part of their strategy rather than her inability to talk off the cuff. The group of voters she needs to target are the low information voters who consume little or no political news coverage. Political junkies and the type of people who follow the daily election news will recognise her responses, but they are probably new for a lot of low information voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,384 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Posting this here, as I seem to recall some posts complaining about the lack of 'policy' from Kamala Harris (usually while giving Trump a free pass on same).
    The expert assessment on her economic policy is that it is vastly superior to Trump's, and warns of the dangers of Trump's plans.

    More than half of the living US recipients of the Nobel Prize for economics signed a letter that called Vice President Kamala Harris’ economic agenda “vastly superior” to the plans laid out by former President Donald Trump… “While each of us has different views on the particulars of various economic policies, we believe that, overall, Harris’ economic agenda will improve our nation’s health, investment, sustainability, resilience, employment opportunities, and fairness and be vastly superior to the counterproductive economic agenda of Donald Trump,” the economists write in the letter obtained by CNN…
    The letter points to Trump’s tariff and tax policies as inflationary and likely to balloon the federal deficit – a widely held view among economists.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/nobel-prize-economists-harris-economic-plan/index.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Is Trump the standard now? The guy is a clown.

    That doesn't make her a good communicator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,015 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They'll have to turn out in the right places. Harris smashing records in California won't be any use.

    I think that if Arizona, North Carolina or Georgia go to Harris, then Trump's in trouble as concerns on abortion rights would almost certainly be a huge factor in that result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    I don't even think she knows what she is trying to say half the time. Bill Clinton, Obama, Bush Sr. these where guys with weight, gravitas and meaning behind their voice. Clinton in particular might have been an utter sleazebag like Trump but you'd come away from listening to him saying "yeah that guy knows what he wants and how he wants to get it, i can get behind that". Harris you just come away saying what in the name of christ is she talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,838 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    True enough, now that I've poked further…

    "John Kelly will be leaving, I don't know if I can say retiring, but great guy," Trump told reporters. "John Kelly will be leaving at the end of the year. We will be announcing who will be taking John's place; it might be on an interim basis." With Trump, it's hard to define what the truth or his version of the truth…

    From this Newsweek link…

    https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=b2067bd8e1769994JmltdHM9MTcyOTcyODAwMCZpZ3VpZD0wNGY1NWYyZi1lNDBjLTYxMDgtMTM3OS00YjlmZTU0MTYwOWUmaW5zaWQ9NTIwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=04f55f2f-e40c-6108-1379-4b9fe541609e&psq=Did+Trump+fire+general+Kelly+as+his+COS+or+did+Kelly+resign+from+the+job&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubmV3c3dlZWsuY29tL2dlbmVyYWwtam9obi1rZWxseS1maXJlZC1kb25hbGQtdHJ1bXAtaGl0bGVyLWZhY2lzdC0xOTczNjU2&ntb=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    ”but Trump” seems to be the stupid idiotic response by many here too - people have been living in a world of self righteousness for the last few months me thinks - Trump as a person may be easy to defeat in a debate, but you still have to win at the polls and that means it’s down to you as a candidate to prove your worth to the voters - Harris obviously hasn’t achieved this enough to put distance between herself and Trump - time is running out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,384 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is a two horse race, so yes, he sets a standard in this race, especially when posters complain about lack of so-called communications skills (or whatever point is raised) while not mentioning Trump being objectively awful on the same issue.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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