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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,816 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I'm not seeing any "abuse" there. I'm questioning the system, and rightly so. And I knew you'd take the "lunatics of the asylum" out of context.

    "They're the real lunatics of this asylum in my opinion(it's an expression of speech, in case I get accused of calling people names)."

    That's what I wrote. Who mods the mods and the admin? They're, my opinion again, a law onto themselves(edit: sorry, some are).

    You handed out a petty warning to me this morning for calling someone confrontational/hostile. You called it "personal abuse". Who reprimands you for repeatedly, in numerous posts calling my posts "ranting"? Is that not an offence?

    And thank you for quoting some of what I wrote, as you've proven me right with the outcome of the unresolved disputes.

    Post edited by sligeach on


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Make your suggestions. All will be put forward to the mods and admins.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    You did not call someone confrontational or hostile. If you're going to defend yourself at least be truthful.

    Name calling posters is something that we clamp down on. It's considered personal abuse.

    I will not discuss further with you on this thread. It's a circular, disingenuous argument.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,593 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    At the end of the day, it's a message board. I would say we want someone who can keep a cool head, is sensible enough and is interested in the forum with a fairly thick skin. The specific issue with CA is that everyone who follows Politics and Current Affairs has strong opinions on it.

    If you think you can spare even a few minutes a day to review reported posts and are interested, you can PM BBOC as they suggested.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    You can't knowingly insult someone and then immediately tell the person that they will be offended by it but you somehow think they shouldn't, and then get shirty because they were indeed offended by it. Have a word with yourself.

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,412 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I wasn't suggesting myself.

    The specific issue with CA is that everyone who follows Politics and Current Affairs has strong opinions on it.

    See that is why I asked the question about what is the criteria that would see a potential candidate disqualified. IF it extends to an active user with a strong opinion, then I have no suggestions.

    We have been told on here in a not so roundabout way that no users currently fit the criteria.

    So I have came to the conclusion that Pm'ing any suggestions would be a completely fruitless exercise.

    Also for the transparency the couple I had in mind, I probably would not agree with 70% of what they state.

    Also just adding mods to what I see as a flawed basis to a forum probably wouldn't change anything in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,816 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I don't know what you've done to my post because I can't post it as what I wrote.

    "You're an antagonistic Man United fan, so you would say that."

    Confrontational and hostile are synonyms of antagonistic. That's name calling? Pfft! I sent you a PM about the warning which you didn't respond to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They're pretty good. It wouldn't be fair of me to explain how :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I know pre vanilla they were. Glad they're still decent then.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,816 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I'm taking a break from this in case someone tries to take me out. I've said my piece, but I don't expect anything to change regarding mods and admins behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well, I don't know how they work at all post-vanilla, TBF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I was given a ban for saying a thread had become an echo chamber (uncivl?), then another one for pointing out a racist post (attacking the poster)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    The "problem" with everyone taking it to PM or indeed just PM-ing the mod in question is that its not out in the open. If you think you are subjected to over zealous moderation, then keeping it private isn't really going to achieve anything.

    However I would say that it should be in the appropriate thread as its counter-productive to keep ranting (;)) about it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Sligeach mate get the blood pressure checked it's only a forum!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    That’s been a “quirk” of the site, going back a long way, S. You can’t call a racist “a racist”.

    I’m always a bit baffled why racists, homophobes, misogynist, transphobes, bigots etc are so offended when they are called such. Just own it, you’re fooling nobody. It weakens their points, and arguments, when they act, in a melodramatic way, when they are “called out”.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Is it that surprising?

    Most people don't think they're racist, homophobic etc, etc - even if hold views that could be reasonably described as such. It's human nature to think your own views are reasonable and it takes a lot of self awareness and honesty to admit your own shortcomings or ignorance: and it's shockingly rare on an internet forum.

    While I know it can feel righteous and it can be calling a spade a spade a lot of the time I do wonder if you get anywhere by calling someone a racist or a bigot if you're discussing things with them - even if they might hold reactionary or whatever opinions: you'll almost never change anyone's mind by telling them they're wrong right out of the gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    What about tossers?

    If someone called someone else a tosser, and it was the opinion of many others that the name was apt, should they just own it? By your logic they should.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Online stalking isn't "criminal" - what genuine person would thank that? Don't be eejits. 😆

    Malicious, obsessive, unhealthy... but not illegal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Sorry, Sig, it’s not a democratic endowment. Anyone can be “a tosser” in the eyes of someone when they, themselves, are, in fact “a tosser”.

    With racism, though, it’s universal. No matter what way you slice it. I would, also, argue that being “a tosser” is a lot lower down on the odious scale to racist. It would be the sort of term a racist, or bigot, themselves, might throw out should they be called out.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 howdydoo83


    I had a look at the DPR forum and the two bans being appealed from soccer are ridiculous. You might as well close the SF now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    never mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Being a tosser is subjective. One persons tosser is another person's sound man.

    Being racist isn't. There are clearly defined definitions of racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 howdydoo83


    May I suggest looking at your own behavior first. Painful reading this drivel the past few pages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 howdydoo83


    The running and film forums are the best ones on here imo. Although you even have people popping in from time to time complaining that's something is woke but they get ignored.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Look at Flaneur O'Brien's post about his friend's husband being pro Brexit and a huge fan of Thatcher - now those are awful views imo, prime example of someone who'd be deemed a bigot/racist by online mob types, yet Flaneur, whose politics are very much to the left, says the guy is actually a really decent person.

    There was a member here whose username ended in KK for Kilkenny. Conservative leaning yeah (the horror) but a sound enough fella. Because of him being pro life he was given the nickname UsernameKKK. I mean that's the kind of evil sh1t which reasonable people are talking about when they object to being called racist. Not racists being called racist. There ARE occasions when people objectively aren't whatever the mob says they are.

    Merely disagreeing that gender (a set of behaviours/expressions) can define male/female rather than biology (which everyone actually agrees with, otherwise they would be modifying their language on a constant basis) - hating individuals who are trans? It's vindictive, dishonest and downright stupid and vapid. And it's just for the lolz on the part of some people. I'm pro choice but give me the company of someone like that KK guy any day before those spiteful scumbags.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Can posters who want to discuss trans, race, religion, immigrants topics etc please use the active threads to do so. This is a Helpdesk thread. It would be better if it could stick to that and let the various topics be discussed in the relevant forum.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Being a racist may not be subjective, but calling someone a racist on a forum like this almost always is. If you feel someone's posts are racist there's already an appropriate way to deal with that, rather than reducing a discussion to tit-for-tat name-calling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,279 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Racism thankfully in Ireland is not a big issue like other countries.

    If you use the bar for racism of a few posters here then racism is rampant in Ireland which has no basis in reality.

    If posters feel their are racist posts then report the posts and let the mods decide.

    Being called a racist is not a very nice thing but seems to be acceptable.

    If you can't call Trump a rapist then why can some posters call people with an opposing view racists.

    You have seen it here where people talk about the huge amount of racism on boards which if it was true their would be loads of people banned.

    Racism to some posters is anyone who has an opposing view.

    It is a horrible slur and it would be helpful if posters were banned from calling posters they disagree with racists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,149 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Let me reveal the limits of my own understanding: I'm not sure who you are calling spiteful scumbags here?

    Intolerant people in general?

    To speak to something you did raise - I've been on - and still am - on friendly terms and have been friends with over the years with people in RL whose politics I wouldn't agree with in the slightest, people who I know whose political or social views would make my toes curl, but the key thing for me is whether those views are held with malice or just a bit of - and this sounds condescending I guess - ignorance.

    And in reality you get to know the person in their totality and it allows more nuance and tolerance than online, when you've only got written words to go on.



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  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thought it was clear when I said I'd rather hang out with a conservative, traditional person like that KK guy than those appalling people who think or pretend they are the decent ones when they happily throw out terms like nazi at people they don't even know, based on nothing. And there's a coterie of them here. You said people don't admit they're racist but that doesn't mean there aren't instances when the racist allegation is unfounded.

    I agree with your post overall though, and need to leave it there, as per BBOC.



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