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Dispute with mod

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,593 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd rather that they just took it to PM and left the rest of us out of it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I think you're confused. I'm saying them constantly describing my posts as ranting is incendiary language. I'm sure if I kept referring to someone's legitimate posts as ranting, I'd get warned for baiting, trolling etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    The word legitimate is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

    A lot of your posts here and in the DRP have been rants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,598 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I said this before on another feedback thread but I will repeat it here.

    Outside of CA I think Boards is great, there are alot of excellent forums and people are helpful and there is very little bickering.

    I often think straying into CA was the worst mistake I ever made, politics and religion are two highly contentious topics. Most of us gain nothing from political discussions, apart from the emotional feeling of being ‘right’ or being in the contrary position. We lose time, and time is the most precious commodity, with little to show for our efforts.

    Political discussions make enemies but not friends. The more people become educated about the alternatives in politics, the more they become indifferent to either extreme. Trying to sway their opinion largely wont work. 

    Studies have shown that most people don’t show their true political feelings—only extremists do. In effect, when people with extreme political views feel that they are in the majority, they make a visible showing of it. The flip side of that is that people who don't want to be perceived as extremist, with-hold their political opinions. You can't rationalise with Extremists.

    It is a cohort of these extremists that have poisoned CA, they have too much time on their hands, they seem to post all day long and they have very little to no tolerance for opposing views. Its futile arguing with people like this and they inevitably drag alot of threads down.

    Thats why CA is such a hard forum to moderate and even harder with the lack of moderators.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,812 ✭✭✭✭sligeach




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some people really get off on a pile-on. Says more about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Or just enjoyed the “ignore” function. Actually, is there any way for mods to put other users on ignore with each other?

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Good points.
    CA is neither Politics nor is it After Hours but in some respects it’s reflecting the worst aspects, not the best aspects of those forums.

    Bad and all what The Thunderdome became, in the early days you knew what you got when you entered there.
    After Hours similar - yes there was bitching and moaning sometimes but it’s was generally an irreverent easy going place. Politics, jayzuz, well if that’s what you wanted, then fine, it was there for you.

    CA has become filled with people just spouting reams of text copied and pasted as if they were in politics forum trying to make themselves out to be some sort of intellectual guru on the topic - they’ve no idea how to engage with other posters or just discuss their opinions with other posters -it’s just im right you’re wrong now piss off - the only “humour” there is mocking other posters - the forum has no release valve - at least if a topical discussion is in After hours, you can rely on some clever dick to hop in and take the pizz out of those taking it all too seriously - that’s what I miss about the old AH - topical subjects discussed without taking ourselves too seriously



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Just trying to encourage a bit of introspection.

    Some posters take an "us vs them" attitude to mods and admins, highlighting how their posts were coming across to non mods/admins might encourage that poster to take a second and review their posting style.

    Their response to me shows that they can reign it in when they want, yet they chose not to do that when replying to mods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why is it important that a mod of current affairs be active in current affairs?

    As it currently stands mods don't look at context of reported posts anyway, so knowing the context and forum culture is clearly not a requirement. As such, all a mod needs to do is know the rules and action any reported post with regards to those rules.

    Absolutely any mod could be doing that, even if they have zero interest in any of the usual topics.

    Beasty says there are hundreds of reported posts that he needs to action himself. Are we really saying that somebody else couldn't thin that down by just actioning the obvious rules breaches?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,369 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think the point is that usually mods are drawn from people who have an interest in and read the forum, and the modding is an adjacent \ side 'gig' to that. That falls down with CA because there's a perception that someone that engaged in current affairs is probably already an active participant in CA.
    So if you are looking for 'interested' people - you need someone who is currently 'lurking' and reading CA without participating. Otherwise, you're looking at roping someone who is not engaged with the forum at all, just to wade through reports. Not many volunteers for that I'd imagine.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh he's deciding that you're a previous member whose username begins with Ish. Breach of rules to name previous members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Hi @Big Bag of Chips - could you take a look at this one, I didn't get it till someone pointed it out - the poster is saying I'm another poster that they've argued with previously. Absolutely not so and I think incredibly uncivil to make that accusation. If I was banned for incivility for 24 hours for saying someone lacked critical thinking skills - surely this would rise to that level also ?

    I don't really think the accusation of "hatred" is in any way warranted.

    Appreciate your time, thank you.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You were banned for saying someone lacks critical thinking skills? Good lord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I thought this is what the report function is for. If this was a normal thread, this would be against the rules to publicly call for another poster to be banned.

    A lot of feedback threads seem to include posters trying to influence mods to support their grudges against other posters which is a great pity.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well then the posters in question should stop trolling and acting the dick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,369 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    As an aside, are Feedback \ Helpdesk reports monitored I wonder?
    Or is it expected that all posts are eyeballed by an admin?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I thought we were against pile ons against other posters? Calling publicly for a ban just results in that, as we see in four other posters supporting the poster in wanting the other poster banned. That's why reporting is secret to prevent pressure being put on mods to ban others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,411 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'd have a different view on that.

    I don't think the evolution of the Soccer Forum should be held up as a blue print for other forums or CA.

    In fact I think it is irrefutable that the Soccer Forum should be seen as a cautionary tale on what over sterilisation and sanitising of opinion can lead to.

    You referenced 20 years ago, there was no better forum on the internet let alone boards than the soccer forum. It was if I remember correctly the busiest forum and main driver for new user registrations. All though that seems to be a negative now, I missed that memo.

    It was fantastic, but not without it's problems for sure.

    Even some of the mods and it wasn't just 1 were unashamedly biased, but that in a weird way kind of added to the enjoyment of the whole experience.

    Unfortunately an actual vocal minority of users believed the adage 'Football is more important than life and death' - sic and the craic, fun and comradery was bait out of the forum to leave it a hollow shell of it's former self with any opinion that even had a whiff of controversary clamped down on.

    It's no wonder it has been opened back up to the public again.

    Post edited by Boggles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I'd loved to know if the tools for detecting sock puppet accounts are any good or not.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    People with a ban on any particular forum can't flag/report any posts.

    Not even on threads they are allowed to post in.

    It may be due to Vanilla, but it's seems a little unfair that a post that would deserve a sanction would be allowed stand by virtue of the person that it is aimed against not being able to report.

    If the user COULD report, then I wouldn't support being public about pointing out a specific post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    60% of this thread belongs in PM, because it's arguments between a couple of posters about something of interest to nobody but themselves and not relevant to the thread.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any opinion on the vindictive behaviour that prompted it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,811 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'm not contributing to the bickering between posters on the thread. I would only say if unhappy the poster should report them. The banning of other posters is not a popularity contest and I'm against pile ons.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,555 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I'm in work and operating off my phone which isn't great for copying and pasting between screens.

    But you started your dispute by saying:

    I have to say, I don't expect this to go anywhere because I've seen how this Dispute Resolution forum operates over the years, both personally and with others. It's a bit of a sham and a charade really.

    Not a great start for someone wanting to resolve a dispute.

    You then posted multiple times:

    You mentioned the BBC Sports site, sensitive Man United supporters. None of which are relevant to why you should not have received the warning.

    When offered an admin review you questioned which admin. You said they were the real "lunatics of the asylum". You felt somehow entitled to request a specific admin claiming if it was certain admins you weren't interested.

    You said Beasty was the biggest problem with the site.

    There's people on this site who have no business being in a position of power

    And

    I've been around long enough to know this Dispute Resolution forum is a complete shambles. Mods all stick together. Do you(plural) think we can't see this? Moderation on this site from some people is a joke.

    Very little of what you posted actually related to your warning and why it was given in error. It was more about taking digs at the volunteers on this site.

    I asked you to lay out your argument without name calling anyone and you disappeared from the thread.

    Nobody is required to try engage in reasonable resolution with someone who posts as you did in that thread. I offered you the opportunity. You didn't take it. Only coming back 4 months later with more of the same claiming you were being ignored.

    That is my final word on this now. I have no interest in repeating the same thing to you again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,411 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If anyone would like to put forward a name for consideration of CA moderator please feel free to PM me.

    Given the criteria to be considered seems to be experienced Supreme Court Judge I think that may be difficult. 😂

    Maybe it would be an idea if that is a serious suggestion to set out the criteria you are looking for or probably easier what is it that would disqualify a potential candidate?

    I may have a suggestion or 2.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    Some of the stuff some users are accusing others of, “stalking” etc, are criminal.

    People are using this thread to air grievances, try to have people banned, and gaslight other posters.



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