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Missing 8yr Old Kyran Durnin - presumed dead *READ Mod Note Added to OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    I lost my virginity at 15. I was not raped. I repeat, I was not raped!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Hopefully the mods get rid of the problem posts rather than the entire thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,474 ✭✭✭✭Sadb


    Your posts are utterly bizarre. Again I’ll ask, what if the father was 15 at the time that the mother was impregnated, should he still be locked up for rape?


    You are also advocating for the mother to be housed in a mental health facility without knowing anything about her or any facts of the case. What if she sold the child for a packet of cigs? What if she abused and tortured that child for the 6 years of his life? Would you still be so lenient?

    Let’s not forget that there also seems to be an incredible lack of remorse, evidenced in the refusal to now cooperate with the Gardaí and help locate the poor child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,228 ✭✭✭✭event




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Legally no. The law only applies to men, if that sounds like its sexist and should be challenged well guess what. It was challenged and the court REFUSED TO HEAR THE CASE.

    There are many here who are debating whether she's guilty of murder or should be committed for insanity, well neither matters here because if youre a woman the result is almost the same.

    While men are currently squashed in 4 to a cell, women in "prison" are catered to like its a B&B and have a "warden" that advocates for them

    https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/dchas-centre-how-christmas-day-13766478

    She even through in the "It is a male-dominated patriarchy" line FFS



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Some of the stuff online is horrific. Reports stating that his father reported the mother for neglect over the state of the child's teeth. Tusla reported to him his teeth were fine and the father said it can't have been Kyran they were talking about. I'm not sure how much blame can be put on Tusla though in a reality. They may not have been familiar with Kyran by the time they intervened and the first meeting they had was with the decoy child. Incredible really. The father of the decoy child also has serious questions to answer.

    Kyrans father was fighting through the courts for access and was denied access by the mother around 2 years ago. You see a pattern here. Only when the courts granted custody in August was the child reported missing.

    Rhonda Byrne Tyson is the maternal grandmother. Are the other kids still in her care?

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/13972881/terrified-family-mum-vanished-son-worried-sick-gardai/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Just me or is it bizarre that the father went this long without seeing his son ? Surely you'd be asking for video or photos and if you where not receiving them you;d be onto the solicitors or fearing the worst & on to the cops , Surely you'd make it your business to at least get eyes on the kid

    I could have missed some details that give an explanation to this but seems odd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    From what I read to be fair the mother and grandmother cut all ties and he had zero rights to actually see the child. He had been chasing through the courts but they are notoriously slow when it comes to a father and access to his children.

    He had also made report to Tusla about his concerns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Chasing through the courts is one thing but not seeing your son for 2 years ? Is that not a bit bizarre, Christmas birthdays so on , Surely you'd start to get worried if you never laid eyes on him for two years ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    He did though. And obviously raised concerns with the relevant authorities. A bit hard for him to see the child if he was already dead. It's just a bizarre case when it comes to the relatives. When it comes to the grandmother and the mother it's utter evil.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    If the father had been provided the Christmas, birthdays and so on access? He wouldn't have needed to resort to the courts to gain access.

    If the mother prevented access & contact as seems to have been the case here? Just how was he supposed to be involved in the boys life?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Always someone else to blame apart from the mother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I understand that & i understand he couldn't be part of the boys life legally but as a father i find it baffling you could go 2 years without laying eyes on your son, No pictures . no phone calls ,no videos.

    Surely you'd want to go lay eyes on him from a distance even ?

    Maybe im being unfair on the dad , but i just can't see myself being able to resat at night if i hadn't seen them with my own eyes or heard anything form them for that amount time ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Did they not tell people that the boy was in school in Northern Ireland? If they didn’t explicitly say which school or area and then shut down all communication, where was the father meant to start his search. The legal route seems like his only option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Who takes the pictures? Who facilitates the phone calls?

    What do you think the outcome of trying to surveil your son would be when the ex spots you hanging around? Likely reported for stalking and what happens to your case for access and custody then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Do you have kids youself ? I don't think its strange at all to imagine if he wanted to lay eyes on him after 2 years ,

    You could easy do it without causing a scene or anyone knowing ,

    Maybe im wrong because we now know the outcome , i don't know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I have a friend currently going through a messy divorce. hasn't seen his child in 8 months. Now others have seen the child obviously and he is still in school .What I'm saying is it's not hard to believe that he didn't have any contact with his child for 2 years. It happens all the time in Ireland depending on the courts and the mother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    Speaking from personal experience. My eldest was born prior to me and his mom getting together. His Bio dad never gave a second thought about him and made absolutely no effort to ever be involved in his life. It happens a lot more than we think. (I know this seems to be different in this case as Kyron's dad made an effort to get custody but conversely, if his mom wanted to keep the dad away its relatively straight forward)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Unless and until you've encountered a situation where the mother of your child has made contact impossible? Where trying to surreptitiously contact or see your child, would mean that your legal actions to gain custody are thrown out?

    Your own experience of being a parent and how you'd act are fairly pointless.

    Any action the father took to gain access when he had no court order granting it would very likely have resulted in the mother pressing charges against him and that would nix any hope for access on his part. I'd also lay money that his solicitor advised to keep his distance, not to antagonise the mother and to take any and all action through the courts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,948 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    While everything you say is of course correct,

    There is a million & one ways to get someone to get eyes on the kid without getting yourself penalised in court,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Deeec


    How was he to get the pictures, videos, calls if the Mother and grandmother were not allowing contact. It sounds like they completely cut the dad out and thats why he was going through the courts. He may not have even known where they were living. It seems she had moved around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,805 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    As someone who has made quite a few quid out of making sure folk (well companies) got penalised? There's a reason other than ill-health that I was able to retire at 38. People believing they'd get away with it, it's easy, sure who'd care? Made me a nice living.

    The notion that if you really wanted to? You'd find a way? Is naïve in the extreme, especially when it comes to matters as fractious and downright litigious as family law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,875 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭amacca


    Maybe he did try to do just that...but couldn't because the boy wasn't there or anywhere to lay eyes on...it was an impossibility to be successful in that endeavour and the mum/mum's family refused to communicate

    Maybe the fact he couldn't lay eyes on the kid is what prompted the reports to tusla etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,002 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gone from rambling about a rape tangent to now wondering why Hulk Hogan wasn't hired as a Bounty Hunter to track down the child FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,527 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    There really isn't a topic these days that doesn't descend into "how can I make this about my opinions".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭ax530


    All upsetting and hard to imagine.

    I also find it difficult to believe that custody would be granted to a parent who had not seen the child in 2 years. Imagine that would be very difficult for the kid, in situations like that would they have a settling in phase? Or are the children sent to new home full time on the day.

    This case will make more people aware of issues children in the country are dealing with. Hopefully Tusla can be improved as a result



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,474 ✭✭✭✭Sadb


    How though? If you don’t know where the child lives or what school he goes to, how could you see him?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,474 ✭✭✭✭Sadb


    Seriously though, it seems like the courts need a major overhaul too. Like even if the child was fine and now living with the father, its ridiculous that a father may not see his own child for 2 years while the courts move painfully slow.

    There should have at least been supervised visitation from the very start of the process, while the case is ongoing.



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