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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Kincora2017


    that example is a failure of the SHD system, not of “Green Policies”. The planning system typically allows for an exchange of information between the developer and the planning authority. SHDs don’t allow this. The application is lodged to ABP and it either passes or it doesn’t. If there was an RFI mechanism in the SHD legislation then they could’ve requested further info on the bats (or whatever else was needed). The developer can then engage in a process with the Authority. All of this is extremely common in typical planning apps but not for SHDs. This is a legislative mess, not a green policy mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭Tippex


    the greens are going to take an absolute battering in the next election I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    They might retain 1 TD if lucky. They have done a lot of what they said they'd do so I don't really know why previous Green voters would be disappointed in their term in government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    previous green voter here, they have done some very good things while in government, but since im really done with ffg, im now in a dilemma, as i suspect green transfers may go towards ffg, so….

    green politics is also stuck into thinking increasing taxes and forcing people into even more debt, will resolve our environmental issues, try again folks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The thing is all the parties are in trouble. Half of FG's sitting TD's are resigning, SF are in trouble, hard to know what way it will go. Could be independents harvest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    could very be alright, but ffg will be absolutely fine, and for a long time to, probably well into the 30's, theyll stick together now for the foreseeable, some indies could do well alright, but who ever forms a government with ffg, will be up against it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A lot of the green votes from last time were SF transfers in constituencies where there was no left candidate. After their current record in govt supporting FFG it's unlikely they'll get those same transfers

    Furthermore on "green" issues the party has stood by watching the recent drop in EV car sales, some very bad reports on their climate promises of net zero, bus services inter city being curtailed and public transport provision in Cork city being decimated. But don't worry, they're making an extra 2c on the liter of diesel so that will save the planet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, the political green movement is in serious trouble, and not just in ireland either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Bus services much better where I live and those taxes would be happening with or without Greens. Also the investment in active travel is much appreciate by woke cyclists like me. I would have thought most of their voter base were urban people like me who would be pleased with what they've done and wouldnt notice 4c increases but I must be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    increase in cycling infrastructure has been very much appreciated but the reality is, this form of transport isnt actually really viable for probably most, for various different reasons, including weather, and since most other forms of transport simply cannot compete with the private car, again, for various different reasons, resulting in most remaining in their private car, and most of those will remain to be fossil fuel based, until they become obsolete



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Who is it not "actually really viable"?

    Do you have a percentage of people who due to medical conditions cannot cycle?

    Weather is not an excuse, if people are able to cycle around countries with a lot worse conditions in terms of snow/ice etc I don't see why they can't cycle in a it of rain in Ireland

    FYI Ireland has no control of which cars are manufacured and what time of engine or fuel they used. That is controlled by the larger markets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah I would have thought their voter base are city people who can actually get around by bike. I live in North Strand and the investment in active travel has made the place so much nicer and easier to get into town. The amount of cyclists on the route at rush hours is a sight to behold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we ve been banging this drum for years now, how many journeys have we moved from the private car, towards alternatives such as bicycles?

    you ll find that answer is, not really all that many, but some of course, so this is far more complex than we realise….

    some journeys are a part of multi destinations, with multiple people, some carrying some luggage and other things, best of luck with trying to organise all of that with all on their bicycles!

    who said anything about medical issues, this is basic human behavior, we like convenience, the cats out of the bag now in regards having the ability to run the private car, and many households with more than one car!

    not only does the private car make journeys more convenient and quicker, but they also protect you from the weather, so again, best of luck convincing the general public of giving up the car!

    yup, we re an open economy, so, the private fossil fuel car is here to stay for a good while, until production ceases of course!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yea the increase in infrastructure is great to see, but….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Adding 1000's more private cars to the road each year isn't viable either. Moving to active travel will reduce some of that even if it's a very small % it's still less congestion and pollution on the streets improving peoples health and freeing up space for PT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, but again, the reality is, this is exactly what has happened, and will more than likely keep continuing, and for some time to, we all know irelands public transport is no where near as good as many other countries, and its not, so on we roll with the private car!

    the only way to truly change this is to rapidly expand public transport, especially rail, but again, the reality is, thats not actually gonna happen, so….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Of course, that's down to previous Govt. policies of prioritising the private car over PT and one off housing dotted all over the country.

    But what you're talking about there really is holding off on making improvements to public transport until public transport improves.

    And one of those major improvements we can do now is reducing the dependence on private cars and increasing road space for Active travel and PT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    and, future governments, for the foreseeable, are actually gonna be pretty much the same, so…..

    nope, again, what we need to do, in the next few years, is to radically increase public transport, especially rail, but the reality is, its not gonna happen, due to point above!

    …so, private fossil fuel car it is so….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    So In the absence of solutions, offer people the chance to moan about cyclists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    driving through two rural villages on Tuesday morning and was taken aback by the amount of people waiting to get the morning rural link bus into the local county town. clearly people going to work and not using the car

    there was no bus a few years ago



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    nope, not at all, im a cyclists myself, again, the increase in infrastructure is very much appreciated, but the big picture reality is, theres still a sh1t load of private cars in circulation, and most journeys are still conducted by them, and will remain to be so, for a very very long time, and again, most of those vehicles will remain to be fossil fueled!

    solution, rapid expansion of public transport, especially rail, but again, its not gonna happen!

    …so, again, fossil fueled private cars it is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    So you agree the majority of the population can cycle.

    This post is just the lazy stuff we see fired out constantly about cycling. When the cycling infrastuture has been put in place people have used it.

    Lazy people will still be lazy people, car or no car

    By the way, one of the main reasons we should get more people onto bikes is for health, that alone and has nothing to do with environment.

    I doubt you are the target either for the government, bsaed on the comments so far, its the future generation that the government should be targetting. From school now. No matter what anyone does some people are just stuck in their ways



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,970 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no, they cant, again, changing to cycling for the main source of transport is simply not possible for most, for some of the reasons given, this is why it hasnt happened yet, and never will!

    again, this is not for medical reasons, but for other human need reasons, including convenience, and time constraints!

    this is not for reasons of 'laziness', this type of thinking is in fact lazy in itself!

    the modern world has been ultimately designed around the private car, and thats that!

    in order to change this, we must implement viable alternatives, and one of the best being rail, but again, this isnt gonna happen…

    …so the private fossil fueled car it will be!

    …greens, who im an actual supporter of, dont seem to understand this at all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Would you believe Bus Eireann services between Dublin and the western cities were axed during the govts time in office? Around me the city services are either delayed or just don't show up and the bike lanes, while they look nice, have caused traffic congestion and are mainly used by scrambler bikes

    My reference to the 2c, or as you say 4c, increase in the carbon tax is that raising a tax doesn't save the environment. You can't just throw money at the climate emergency and expect it to go away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The reason you gave was weather, that's not a reason

    In all honestly if I was the government I would just look at specific pojects and cut out different sections, clearly in terms of cycling its easier just to cut out the lazy people who no matter what services/infrasture is provided they will never cycle so why bother



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Where are you that the lanes are mostly used by scramblers and are causing congestion?

    Taxing the absolute hell out of the most polluting products would of course decrease emissions but it isn't possible politically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Limerick

    The new one on the Childers Road is great for taking scramblers off roads. The narrower roads we have now cause traffic to build up because there is less space to have left or right turning lanes in a few places

    Another classic example is the Shannon bridge where traffic coming from the north used to have 2 lanes coming up to the roundabout but now there is only 1 because of the cycle lane being added



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well hopefully the traffic puts some people off driving and they use the lovely cycle lanes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Need a lot to change for that to be realistic, namely the climate needs to change to a more South-French/Spanish one

    Cops cracking down on scramblers using them would need to happen too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If the polls are anyway half right it`s difficult to see anything other than FG/FF government with a few tagged on to make the numbers comfortable. Who the preferred tag ons will be is the question.

    Both FG and FF T.D.s have been getting it in the neck from their rural supporters as regards the Greens, FG in particular, so it would be in both their interests to have that tag on being made up of T.D.s from a rural alliance.



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