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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,048 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And this highlights the hypocrisy that Harris has to face. Elon Musk is effectively bribing voters and Trump is constantly name dropping him but there is no negative reaction. In the past few days Trump has been parading WWE wrestlers.

    Eminem endorses Harris and that's a problem and voters won't like it.

    Cheney endorses Harris and Harris should be avoiding her because of her previous politics. Tulsi endorses Trump and it proves that even the left know he is best for America.

    Obama took a few weeks to endorse Harris and it was taken as proof that she wasn't liked or wanted within her own party.

    Pence refuses to endorse Trump and nothing is said.

    It is why the polls are so close. Trump is not held to any standards while his opponents are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭csirl


    I think Harris will be Preaident even if she loses the election. Watch for Biden to step down for health reasons in mid November.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    What is Rogans interview style? will he call out Trump for lying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    This may all be true but I just asked was there anything similar. I couldnt find it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I get the feeling people aren’t interested in listening to “celebrities” lecturing people from their multimillion dollar mansions in Beverly Hills in this election



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Musk is interfering in an election.

    Should be locked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Hoop66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,540 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    No. At best he'll push back slightly on some things, but he won't properly challenge Trump on anything. He'll most likely stick to fairly benign discussion points or things they both agree on regarding "the left" and trans women in sport etc, while using the point that he's not a political commentator or interviewer and so was just having a discussion with Trump.

    Which is pretty much exactly why Trump is doing such podcasts (Theo Von, Andrew Schultz, The Undertaker etc). He's not going to be challenged or have to go into any details on policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    ”No negative reaction” from whom exactly?

    The Republicans are hardly going to cut off their nose to spite their face, if they see underhanded tactics like Musk doing what he’s doing. It’s up to the Democrats to call it out if they feel by doing so would help their election strategy.

    As an observer you’ve called it out.

    The Washington Post has called it out (see link to article below)

    Who or whom at this point is not calling out such behaviour? It’s all very well saying Trump is not held to standards- but look around you, he is - even Republicans - many of them - have called on voters to not vote Trump - I really don’t see how more to account he can be held - if republicans end up voting for him and placing him in office, that’s a reflection on them and the state of America right now - but after that it’s a mystery to me why you think Trump is not “held to account”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/21/elon-musk-petition-1-million-giveaway-election-law/



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its been shown many times that Trumps super power is to turn a tame interview into a disaster zone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    No, they predicted a Clinton win, but Trump won.
    As I said, every polling group are struggling to capture the shy trump voter.
    If the same happens, Trump is waltzing into the WH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That's assuming there's a shy Trump voter which I'm strongly doubting ATM.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I always think of it as the Irish Mass System. An athiest myself but I think the principle is sound. There are those who attend mass during the week because maybe they are working the weekend, maybe they are not well, maybe they know that parking will be a nightmare, but they feel compelled to go to mass. The mass and their attendance is the important thing. Alot of Sunday mass goers are the same, but those restrictions don't apply. Then there are the other side, a minority overall, who do not feel compelled to go to mass, do not worry to much about the religious consequences if they miss it but they will be there on a Sunday, either at the front, or with the boys in the back corner having the chats, suited and booted. They want to be seen, the mass does not matter, being seen does.

    Same with the early voting, most early voters believe in the importance of the process (the majority of on the day voters as well), but there are a number on the day voters who are there to be seen, have their photo on instagram or whatnot, have a beer and a BBQ with their mates.

    Not sure what my point is, just a view on voting day vs early mail in and the type of people it will preference for the mail in, they will be both Democrats, Republicans and not registered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    He's not going to be challenged or have to go into any details on policy.

    I agree with all that, but Harris is the same regarding policy. **** all details. Presidential elections are usually like this in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    In fairness, Harris has been a lot more specific than Trump has been - but yeah, in general, broad statements in presidential campaigns are always best practice if you can get away with them as you want to reach as many voters as possible and alienate as few as possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,028 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "I agree with all that, but Harris is the same regarding policy. **** all details"

    That's not true. That's a trope that's been disproven.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Indeed - although that cartoon caricature appearance was more a side show of comedy to distract from the main event of farce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


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    Race still on a knife-edge but small gains for Trump it seems. Harris better hope the polls are somewhat accurate and the shy trump voter isnt out there, to have any hope. Otherwise she is cooked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭valoren


    He had Terence Howard on a few months ago with his 1 x 1 = 2, bisexual atoms nonsense and allowed him to go unchallenged and just let him waffle for two hours. So that's how high the bar is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    One of my earlier memories is accompanying my parents to the polling place for the 1972 Presidential election. Where they discussed then voted for Nixon 😕. Still, it was very interesting to me as a teen. 6 years old might find it pretty boring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Seems like anything goes now, with musk doing what Russia is doing in Moldova and ploughing money to interfere with election.


    What worries me is that even if Harris wins, so many norms have been set and rules of democracy are irrelevant. Unless the Dems win and actually address the fundamental issues that’s driving half the country to an irrefutably fascist , narcissistic criminal , then it will only be temporary reprieve.


    People are desperate, so they are turning to extreme solutions to help them. The Dems haven’t been listening. I mean USA already saw how insane a Trump presidency is and how full of sh*t*t he is and now they want more!!

    Hard to not feel like USA is nearing the end of its time as THE superpower of the world. Also seems like Putin/chinas multiple super power axis is more likely then a USA world police revival.

    Irony is that it’s tearing itself apart; it doent need a push or too much interference. If the confidence in the dollar significantly falls, the country will collapse as money moves to alternative reserve currency (as Russia and China have been doing).

    I know people may be hostile to this post , I’m just very pessimistic on the outlook of things. I mean Trump is clearly a bad choice on so many different levels, it’s like watching a pantomime and you know who the villian is because of the creepy music and they are so obviously the villian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The 2 most popular opinion makers on the American Conservative right at the moment are Trump and Musk.

    Both very firmly in the celebrity column and the billionaire column (although maybe mostly on paper for Trump).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    the reference above was relating to support for Democrats - that’s what I was referring to - I don’t think the critical swing voters will necessarily be swayed by Democrats engaging the likes of whoever preaching to them - I don’t think that will rock their boat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Firstly, the reason why Trump is not held to the same standard as other politicians is because a scarily large chunk of the US electorate appear to regard him as a demigod who can do no wrong and another chunk are completely desensitised to his insanity, so there are relatively few to get outraged when Trump does or says something dangerous or mental or dangerously mental or mentally dangerous. So, news outlets could point it out all day and far too many would just turn the page or change channel. It's no longer new.

    This isn't true of most every other U.S. politician who, if they say something demonstrably crazy, it's so out of line with the clean image they're trying to maintain that it's instantly newsworthy and everyone looks.

    It isn't that nothing was said about Pence refusing to endorse Trump, either. I'm sure you can find many mentions of it on MSNBC or ABC, but none of that is going to penetrate the MAGA bubble.

    This does appear to be the situation in the U.S., at least where the race for POTUS is concerned - two distinct political camps racing toward a goal but no longer playing that game under a unified set of values. Does that make for a lot of hypocrisy? Yeah, but that's not really going to be fixed in two weeks. The immediate question is what side can get more of its adherents to the polls in the places that matter and I hope the Harris campaign is not relying too much on celebrity endorsements to make this happen. Really big endorsements like Taylor Swift are good value because of the amount of publicity they generate, if nothing else, but lower level endorsements, not so much. But even that publicity is nothing without the ground game from her campaign, and Harris being out there every day pushing a strong message. She has to be relentless these last two weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I feel desperately sorry for America - they're being asked to vote between two candidate who will make bloody awful Presidents….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Agreed. I think such celebrities' might be introduced to attract eyeballs to the gig as much as to sway people by their words themselves.

    Both sides do it, remember Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair at the RNC a few years ago?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Swing state betting is very very worrying for Harris, trump is now strong strong favourite in 6 out of 6 of them now. Hard to see the bookies getting these all wrong

    Arizona 2/9

    Georgia 2/5

    North Carolina 4/11

    Nevada 4/7

    Penns 4/6

    Wisconsin 8/11



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