Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

A huge number of people who held positions in his last administration resigned and/or now refuse to back his nomination.

That is not the sign of a leader. I don't think you can call someone a leader just because they support you by voting for you, there's a lot of factors to consider. If you have to consider this, then you'd have to admit that Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are both better leaders than Trump given more people voted for each of them in their respective elections versus Trump.

You can thank Joe for that

Nobody is classifying all criticism of Harris as nitpicking. It's a valid point to make that Harris should potentially have tried to differenciate herself more from Biden and his policies sooner. If the posters we're complaining about were coming on boards with such good faith talking points, I suspect there'd be much less of a problem. But that's not what's happening.

Your post shows that it does happen. You've literally said "refuse to address all of the examples of the complaint actually applying to Trump " , You can't make this up .

So in your own words you said if you can't have a complaint about Harris without having to answer to the "But Trump" rebuttal ,

This isn't complicated. The issue is that a certain type of poster is coming on here constantly picking at Harris on certain things, but never ever levelling the same criticism at Trump. Even if the complaint applies to Trump tenfold.

Then they cry foul that noone can say anything negative about Harris and throw their toys out of the pram when their points get dissected.

It's a really boring and unoriginal strategy.

Its insane , your that focused on the "MAGA cult" you don't realise your in your own cult ,

I and I'm sure most posters on here, have absolutely no allegiances to the American Democratic party. Or Harris. I'm fully aware that we're talking on a left leaning discussion website. Doesn't mean that I can't rationally point out how there has been little to no good reasons put forward why Donald Trump should become the most powerful man on earth. Again.

The cult of Boards.ie is all in your head.

You can't fathom how people can have issues with both parties,

I think most posters again, by way of example, can see how both American political parties have handled the Israel/Gaza calamity has been less than ideal. But this isn't a discussion of Republican vs Democratic foreign policy. It's a Harris vs Trump thread. And if you want to attack Harris over such issues then prepare to be confronted with Trumps enormous shortcomings on the subject. It's a two horse race.

You get to choose one.

538 has the election slightly for Trump, while NateSilver has it as a dead heat as PA is even.

But even they are seeing the trend and momentum going for Trump these past weeks.

Change for change sake by voting for the guy who was there 4 years ago. The US is in a troubling place and won't get any better (not saying you are wrong that people may vote for Trump for these reasons but just pointing out it doesn't follow much logic)

Looking at 2020, it appears that RCP was actually more accurate than 538. The Biden numbers were about accurate, but the Trump numbers were below what was the actual result.

Have they updated their models to capture this shy Trump vote? Time will tell.

But if 2016 and 2020 are repeated, Trump is waltzing into the WH.

Oh wow look another "but Trump" reply you just can't help yourself , its very tiresome ,

When Trump is criticised nobody on here ever says "but Harris" ,

I don't get to chose one nor do i have to ,

pretty mad also that Trump did a lot better than expected but yet has spent almost 4 years whining and whining about a rigged election.

Pathetic little man.

Christy42- NOTHING has any logic for me in this election 😀

And thanks for clarifying - yes I’m purely just repeating the reasons people have said why they’re voting Republican and not Democrat

This was absolutely the case.

• He abandoned the Pandemic Readiness Office
• He downplayed Covid in early days
• He refused to implement quarantine early
• He undermined the message from medical experts
• He played politics with availability and delivery of PPE
• He hijacked the communication message for personal reasons
• He refused to take ownership
• He tried to prioritize the economy over the health of society

And at the same time, he was a divisive and antagonistic voice in the BLM conversation in the summer of 2020.

He had re-election on a plate in front of him (A - defer to medical experts on Covid and B - speak in a a compassionateway to the Black community and appoint some stooges to look at improving relationships between black people and police forces with a detailed report that will take 6-9 months to deliver)

If he had the brains to do either of these things (not even both) we'd be talking today about his replacement, but he showed how lacking he was in capability and so, the facade fell apart for him. He shouldn't be within an asses roar of this election after what he did, but because of Mitch/Kevin/Lyndsey, he could be President in 3 months.

So, no poll is trustworthy?

538?

NateSilver?

RCP?

Do you think Trump's references to Harris as a "**** president" match anything Harris said in reference to him?

Correct… Im not criticizing Harris for sexually assaulting another person, Im not criticising her for being a felon on 34 counts an by the look of things more to come, I'm not criticising her for bursting into a dressing room with half naked underaged girls..

One of These 3 things alone should be enough to rule out someone from running for the highest office.

Sorry .. but no " but Harris" from me