Dispute with mod

reclose · 23-10-2024 06:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751472#Comment_122751472

I’m delighted you reached satisfaction. Those two people are dumb. Nothing to do with their political views.

Big Bag of Chips · 23-10-2024 07:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751766#Comment_122751766

I know, right!

sligeach · 23-10-2024 07:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058374842/dispute-with-mod

Tell me about it. I've had firsthand experience numerous times of their awful modding. They're completely biased of certain topics, and NEVER admit when they're wrong. Have you gotten any justice? Let me guess. No.

I'm currently serving a 3 month ban in the Soccer forum for an accumulation of nothing "offences". You'll find it below, and there's a link in it to the previous dispute which was never "resolved".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058364451/resolved-three-month-ban-from-soccer

I've long stated that the Dispute Resolution forum is a farce, a charade, and it is. It's a kangaroo court. You never get any justice there, and all the mods bandy together. No one ever admits that another mod's actions were wrong.

That last dispute went 5 weeks before I got a reply. 5 WEEKS! I was talking to myself in there for the most part trying to get a response.

Finally, I got a response from @Beasty, who I have no faith in whatsoever. And typically, I got no justice. I followed up and asked them a simple question, but got no answer.

I then named various mods asking for their opinion on the matter, seeing as I only got one response in over a month. Within a few hours the dispute was shut down by @Big Bag of Chips. They offered no help, instead they were antagonistic. They said "I tried a number of times to discuss a previous dispute with you."

How exactly did you actually try to resolve the dispute? The facts were all there and you did NOTHING about it. Where was the "abusing" of moderators and admin?

I suggest everyone reads the thread, as it's an excellent snapshot of the awful modding on this site. You wrote: "I am locking this dispute. Do not open another. Your ban has been upheld by an Admin. There is no further appeal."

I sent you a detailed PM after you locked the thread, saying how you handled that dispute was "an absolute disgrace". Did you respond? No.

That thread is there now in perpetuity. The only good that came out of it is that I'm going to cite it here, and in future as evidence of what is wrong with this site. It's archived along with others as "resolved". What a joke!

Flaneur OBrien · 23-10-2024 07:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751748#Comment_122751748

That's really well put.

I think a simple short term solution that takes into account the above is to appoint multiple mods that are regular users of the forum, that have an interest in the forum, but have an honour code for the mods that they dont mod threads they're actively involved in.

(Before you think I'm gunning for a position, note the prison bars)

Take myself as an example. I mainly post in 6-10 threads on the forum, however, I have little to no interest in the Irish politics thread, the Russia Ukraine thread, the Israel will start WWIII thread etc.

I'm sure there are other posters like me (without the bars) that are passionate about certain topics, are (generally) good posters, and could potentially make good mods, if they stay away from certain subjects.

It probably would have teething issues, and the mods would need their own space to chat (are mod specific fora still a thing?) but everyone agrees that we have to change something

sligeach · 23-10-2024 07:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751656#Comment_122751656

"Moderators in all the other forums on Boards.ie do an excellent job in keeping their forums operating."

I strongly dispute that assertion about the Soccer Forum.

Big Bag of Chips · 23-10-2024 07:40AM

@sligeach I reached out to you a number of times to discuss your dispute. I was willing to try resolve it with you. At no point did you ever engage in that discussion with me. Any reply you made was simply rant including throwing abuse at the moderators and admins. When I asked you to post and lay out your dispute without the abuse you never replied.

You came back months later with the same complaint and the same abuse. You were again asked to post minus the abuse. You again ranted and abused so your dispute was shut down and marked as resolved.

You might not have been happy with it, but from an admin point of view it was resolved because it was abundantly clear that you were not going to engage.

I am not going to go round the same circles with you on this thread. When your ban is lifted I suggest you make contact with the Soccer mods (no abuse!) and ask them what you need to do to avoid warnings and bans in future. A 3 month ban doesn't come out of nowhere. And it's edging very close to a permanent forum ban.

The_Macho_Man · 23-10-2024 07:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751656#Comment_122751656

Sorry BIG BAG OF CHIPS but I have to disagree with you there: not just Current Affairs but the Radio forum is also a veritable dumpster fire.

reclose · 23-10-2024 08:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751476#Comment_122751476

I think you need to set healthier personal boundaries with your friends.
I would not accept a friend telling me they disapprove of me using boards.

sligeach · 23-10-2024 08:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751971#Comment_122751971

"At no point did you EVER engage in that discussion with me. Any reply you made was simply rant including throwing abuse at the moderators and admins. When I asked you to post and lay out your dispute without the abuse you never replied."

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121959747#Comment_121959747

There you go again with the incendiary language, "rant", "throwing abuse".

I told you before I didn't know what you wanted me to say. I'd laid out the facts and my case, it was up to you to make a decision, but you didn't. I told you this in the PM(that you didn't respond to), that it felt like you just hoped I'd get tired and go away.

Like how it took 5 weeks to get a response in the latest dispute, because I wouldn't go away. And then when I sought advice of other mods you shut it down.

Where was the abuse of mods and admin, and I want you to point the instances out please in both disputes?

The_Macho_Man · 23-10-2024 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751503#Comment_122751503

Imagine it was 2004 instead of 2024 and the topic of gay marriage is in the zeitgeist.

Now imagine that you saw a person enthusiastically and endlessly engage in circular arguments about why gays shouldn't get married because of the sanctity of marriage, marriage has always been between a man and a woman, churches shouldn't be forced to marry homosexual couples if its against their religious beliefs and so on and so forth.

If that person, who is crusading against gay couples turns around and says "I'm not homophobic, it's not like I called them cissies" then most people would have laughed in their face.

Whether it's some sort of self-delusion or Nick Griffin's famous saleable words tactic (see link below), it simply isn't true that the person in my hypothetical situation who is demonstrating homophobic beliefs is not being a homophobe because they are not using homophobic slurs. Hatred is not exhibited only through slurs.

That is what you are defending, except it's 2024 and you are enthusiastically and endlessly engage in circular arguments about how biology is real, trans women shouldn't participate in women's sports (how out of date is that by the way, all of the major sport authorities have revised or are revising their rules on transwomen participating), trans women shouldn't use women's toilets and so on and so forth.

You, and people like you, are not using slurs such as "tranny" or "shemale" but you clearly have an axe to grind against transpeople. Like I said you don't need to use slurs to show hatred: fixation, obsession and an endless need to "debate" transpeople them until you debate them out of existence are all signs of, yes, hatred.

You can delude yourself all you want that everyone secretly agrees with you, or that anyone who disagrees is a troll but your obsession towards trans people is your own and manifestly evidence of hatred.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/18/nick-griffin-question-time-bbc

El Gato De Negocios · 23-10-2024 08:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752015#Comment_122752015

The soccer forum had for a long long time a huge issue with low level trolling ie whats been spoken about in this thread by others, people just skirting within the rules but purely trying to antagonise other users. Eventually the mods rightly decided enough was enough and a cohort of posters were removed. And the same lack of tolerance for low level trolling has been upheld by the mods, that's why you were banned. You know it, I know it, other posters know it and the mods sure as hell know it.

Edited to add

If the same zero tolerance was adopted across the CA forum / site it would be a better place.

Jim_Hodge · 23-10-2024 08:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751759#Comment_122751759

Unfortunately, whoever took on the role would be subjected to a lot of abuse for simply trying their best. We saw it not too long ago where the member had to delete their account as a result. That kind of abuse of Mods is not acceptable but all too prevalent in CA.

Backstreet Moyes · 23-10-2024 08:25AM

This notion that boards is some place that is out of sync with real life doesn't really add up.

On polling 75% is that last polling I seen where the people said they are fed up of immigration and that is a fair reflection of the thread.

People are angry and frustrated and post in that manner, I have seen very few post any hatred towards asylum seekers, just some uncomfortable truths for some.

Likewise in the only open trans thread people are fed up with biological men competing in women's sports and if that was put to a poll it would be higher than 75% that wouldn't be in favour and thats reflective of the thread.

Some people see uncomfortable truths as hate unfortunately and anyone spewing hatred should be forum banned.

Oscar_Madison · 23-10-2024 08:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751340#Comment_122751340

Back seat modding and closing down views different to your own are probably the two key aspects that mods need to address - if someone posts day in day out on a thread they start to act like they own it and that their word is the only gospel to be preached and dare anyone else have a different view- the level of aggression and badgering is just off the scale at this stage. and as for the levels of paranoia -“are you a secret Trump supporter?” 🤪🤪🤪

Vote4Squirrels · 23-10-2024 08:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751441#Comment_122751441

Is it possible that what you are reading as "anti-trans hatred" is just people who don't blindly agree with the same ideology as you ?

It was concerning to read a post earlier saying how good it would be to "ban all anti-trans, anti-immigration and anti-traveller posts".

So that goes through - there could be no discussion of the biological reality of males in women's sports or Barbie Kardashian's threats to rape cellmates as they are currently housed in a women's prison despite having a serious gra for harming women; no debate on the fact that we do not have the infrastructure or funds to house 30,000 extra people per year or question how they got into Ireland and, lastly, no discussion of the misogyny and homophobia in the Travelling community or why per capita the crime rate and prison population involving Travellers is many multiples higher than those in the Settled community.

All valid points for discussion and absolutely NO hate involved.

There's wanting to shut down "hate" and then there is the desire for no one to disagree with you. Sadly, the world is following the latter and it is not healthy.

sligeach · 23-10-2024 08:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752046#Comment_122752046

You're an antagonistic Man United fan, so you would say that.

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Warned: this is not the place for personal spats and name calling.

Brian? · 23-10-2024 08:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752015#Comment_122752015

read the room for God’s sake. This isn’t the place to take up a personal grievance.

23-10-2024 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751748#Comment_122751748

Patently not true. Avowed atheists modding the Christianity forum and they've ran it into the ground and driven the people who were interested in the forum and could contribute in a meaningful way away . It's an echo chamber now.

greenspurs · 23-10-2024 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751656#Comment_122751656

Have you visited the Con Theory threads?

Certain few posters there will not allow any discussion , any post is met with "tin foil" … "prove it"… replies..
NO discussion can take place with the "truthers" badgering anyone that puts forward an idea…

ancapailldorcha · 23-10-2024 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752079#Comment_122752079

I've never seen someone undermine their point so quickly in a single post before.

horse7 · 23-10-2024 08:49AM

On a specific point,if a mod post is reported, does the reporter get the warning?

Quantum Erasure · 23-10-2024 08:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122751971#Comment_122751971

A problem I've seen in dispute resolution is that users seem to have to admit they were wrong and look for clemency, if they don't feel they did anything wrong they're getting no where. You say the poster didn't engage, I'd say he laid out his case quite clearly and no one engaged with him.

The_Macho_Man · 23-10-2024 08:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752102#Comment_122752102

I used to post here until about 2012 and, back then, the Soccer forum was overwhelmingly the most problematic forum on the site.

Compared to today's Current Affairs forum the Soccer forum was like Bosco.

23-10-2024 09:06AM

The guy who was last here in 2012 interestingly says I have an obsession with trans people. How does that work? He's not just back since 2012, he's a repeat re-reg who has a personal issue with me for no reason and stalks my comments and pretends I'm a far right zealot. And he and everyone knows it's unfair to let male people participate in women's and girls' sports. He just pretends he agrees with it as a way to harangue. Imagine having a personal issue with someone for NO reason and following them around to make snide comments and misrepresent what they say - that's unhealthy and weird, and should be unacceptable here.

Big Bag of Chips · 23-10-2024 09:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752128#Comment_122752128

I'd say he laid out his case quite clearly and no one engaged with him.

I believe the disputes are visible for all to see. This poster certainly did not lay out his case quite clearly. He started off by throwing abuse and continued. And then stopped posting when I asked him to outline why the warning should be removed, without abusing anyone.

I like to believe I am generally a fair admin who takes time to look into cases and gives everyone a fair hearing. I can't speak for others but for me there is no requirement for a poster to admit they were wrong. I require them to explain why the warning should not have been applied.

@sligeach if you would like to discuss anything you are required to do so without ranting and abusing. That's not me using incendiary language. That's me describing how you come across in your posts and advising you to maybe look at that if you want people to engage with you.

Big Bag of Chips · 23-10-2024 09:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752121#Comment_122752121

No. Not if it's a legitimate report.

El Gato De Negocios · 23-10-2024 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752079#Comment_122752079

For shyts and giggles I had a look back through PM's and since i registered this account, in the soccer forum Ive received 5 or 6 warnings and had a couple of bans. So you know what I did? I stopped posting in a way that had led to me getting warnings and the resulting forum bans. As the oft used quote goes,

‘Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’

EmmetSpiceland · 23-10-2024 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752071#Comment_122752071

Come on, Ish. Do we really need, or want, to get into this “dance” again? Its hatred wrapped up in faux concern and it all stems from the fear of something different.

Like that user said there, it’s the same sort of thing that gay people faced decades ago. I’d, actually, equate transphobes, and TERFs, with “climate deniers” these days. Both choke down whatever nonsense is churned out of 55 Tufton Street.

The reasoned argument is always the same, there’s 2 genders but somethings there’s intersex but that’s a small number. But sometimes there’s high testosterone but that’s a small number. But sometimes but sometimes and on and on. It’s all small numbers.

The trans population is tiny. Yes, there are more now because a large section of society are more “accepting” now. That number will plateau, similar to when left handedness did after people stopped beating it out of them.

Anyway, this isn’t the place for “soap boxing” or going over the same old ground. Whatever I think doesn’t really matter, the anti trans hatred it’s allowed in CA, once it’s posted within the rules.

Vote4Squirrels · 23-10-2024 09:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122752223#Comment_122752223

With all possible respect I have not the first clue what the first two paragaphs are meant to mean ?

What's an "Ish"? And "again" ? I've barely ever interracted with you - with reason.

23-10-2024 09:27AM

There are two sexes. Gender is different to sex.

Everyone knows biology matters in many contexts, including the Emmet and Macho Man personas. Everyone also knows it's absurd to redefine the meaning of women, including those two individuals also. Their faux concern is a tool for trolling.

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