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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://sluggerotoole.com/2024/10/20/sinn-feins-secrecy-crisis-deepens-as-victim-gives-his-version-of-the-o-donnghaile-story/

    About time we moved away from silly Swedish blogs speaking from a distance of ignorance on Sinn Fein to consider something closer to home and more accurately hard-hitting.

    This article asks a lot of questions that still remain despite MLMD's best efforts to end the multiple scandals today. Perhaps the most telling comment is

    "This is where the culture question kicks in."

    Further on, there is this:

    "Sam McBride has noted that until forced to confess Ó Donnghaile felt safe enough from scrutiny to attack anyone asking awkward questions of his former party, tweeting Sam that “*maybe* the Bel Tel don’t like that a Republican is First Minister…”

    This takes us right back to the concealment problem within the culture of a party where challenging the behaviour of a senior party official is “likely to backfire on you”. This is a key connective thread between all of these episodes.

    Holly Cairns has asked what’s the difference between two PROs giving a reference to a suspected (later convicted) paedophile to off load him from party responsibility, and Mary Lou’s encomium giving O’Donnghaile a signal he could carry on regardless?

    The answer to both I suspect lies in another comic work from that line of the 2 Johnnie’s inspired skit that the party is still substantially influenced if not controlled by something approximating “big scary f@ckers from south Armagh”."

    The fact that NOD was free to continue his political crusade for Sinn Fein is down to MLMD and her flawed incredible decision to give him praise. This isn't over by a long shot. The credibility issue will haunt MLMD up until the general election, and her inevitable resignation thereafter. This is so true:

    "Not everyone has tried to avoid making it a political football. But just as the date of the next election is due to be announced the only party making it political is Sinn Féin themselves by offering an abominably low standard for child protection."

    We are so far from the world-class top-standard child protection policy that MLMD long ago promised the Irish people following the Seamus Marley crisis, which had followed on from the Liam Adams and Mairia Cahill crises. SF truly do have a problem with child protection.

    P.S. It is more than ok to shoot the messenger when they are an unknown blogger from faraway who can hardly have a handle on anything going on today in Ireland, but a much different thing to have a go at someone who is on the ground in Northern Ireland as the author of the linked article is and has a stellar reputation in journalism, but nonetheless, Fealty been the subject of uninformed hypocritical criticism on here many times not for what he says, but for who he is. A really bad case of shooting the messenger.

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,251 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I wouldn't bother tbh, that piece was straight from the SF press room, basically whataboutery, unfair tropes that the leadership is a shadowy cabal (even though it's true), and when all else fails it's an establishment led targeted pile on conspiracy.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Everything he says is backed up by fact.

    He even describes your behaviour here - SF-ing. You were legendary for it long before these issues arose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "But the challenge is inside Sinn Féin itself, where there was clearly great unhappiness before the current crisis. Last year in Athlone there were in excess of 1,500 attendees, this year in the same venue just 150 turned out to listen to Michelle O’Neill."

    This at the time when SF are trying to claim the polls are corrupt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I haven't seen that, but I have previously seen ridiculous stuff on here claiming Sinn Fein were increasing support (despite the polls), because, now don't laugh out loud, their abysmal performance in the locals was better than their even more abysmal performance in the previous locals. That piece of Comical Ali stuff has aged really really well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Everything Fealty said is backed up by fact, your friend is just spouting nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/1022/1476903-caroline-dwayne-stanley/

    Is this a tacit admission from Sinn Fein that Stanley was right? Surely, if Stanley is persona non grata, his wife wouldn't get anywhere near this.

    Quietly paid off, and if Stanley gets elected as an independent republican, expect to see him back in the fold within six months once MLMD is off the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    So the wife of someone got a new role. Jaysis, I feel like I've travelled 100 years into the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Waffle.

    Your essential position comes down to demanding Ireland went over the border and I know the read the type whose mouth is bigger than their actions.

    In terms of your last point- I really think you are either a child (what year were you born) or a bit dim. You realise that the “Assembly” was there from the early 70s, right? All SF “achieved” was managing to age into their 40s and 50s run out of energy to fight.

    It’s 26 years since the GFA.

    The nationalist vote is static despite demographics flipping.

    NI remains divided and SF play an active role in ensuring that, circling the drain with the worst of the DUP and TUV.

    It’s an embarrassing record and it’s all the more embarrassing that the likes of you can’t see it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    You’re a deflector and a sad one at that.

    Over and over you’ve deflected on every issue but this is the worst.

    There is nothing normal about SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Let's take a quick look at this article from some Swedish source that @FrancieBrady claims to be fully factual.

    "I made a (very short) contribution to say that Irish media’s coverage of Sinn Féin - particularly its internal workings with regard to disciplinary matters - almost always carries a subtext that they are not to be trusted, and thus not fit to govern."

    Well, yes, I have to concede this point to the man in Stockholm - Sinn Fein are not to be trusted, and thus not fit to govern. That is 100% true, and has been completely bourne out by everything that has happened in the last few weeks.

    Unfortunately, the rest of the article is the manifestation of the victim complex, of the paranoia among Sinn Fein supporters, that the world is out to get them. What it also shows, and this is more than a little chilling, is a complete failure to understand that the failure of child protection policies within an organisation is a really serious thing, that it speaks to wider failures in the organisation, particularly when it happens again and again, and even more so, when the leader of that organisation doubles down on that failure. Spectacular ignorance at the very least.

    Apart from the numerical counting of articles (which I didn't check), there is nothing factual about the rest of the article, just an elaborate conspiracy theory that fails to recognise the seriousness of the self-inflicted problems that Sinn Fein have created for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Gender bias dripping off that article. But if it fuels another conspiracy why not I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You are obviously not able to make the link to how other parties wrongdoings are covered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Using nepotism to buy silence is what is going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Like the writer of the article, you fail to distinguish the difference between a policy failure of a government, and what Sinn Fein have done in terms of child protection. The seriousness of the latter is something you both fail to understand, and it speaks clearly to the culture around child protection within Sinn Fein and among its supporters. No wonder the lads felt enabled to give McMonagle a reference.

    It really says something, doesn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You cannot make simple comparisons as invited to by the author. Simple as that.
    Stick with Fealty he’ll confirm your bias. He is being accused of it in the comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The author was making simplistic comparisons, not simple comparisons, that is where he fell down. Despite my explanation of the nuances, you are falling into the same trap. As I said already, it speaks to the culture around child protection within Sinn Fein.

    As for Fealty, you could not resist shooting the messenger.

    Leaving it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Interesting point from Alex Kane on Nolan, if you stay too long on the higher moral ground it becomes evident you are playing politics with an issue and you lose hearts and minds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yes lying and protecting a party member who is texting kids should be shut down quickly.

    Sure who cares about child protection

    What a stupid post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Reporting somebody to the PSNI and Social Services and forcing them to resign their job and throwing them out of the party is 'protecting' them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    As I said, child protection is not something SF or seemingly their hardcore supporters care about, just what looks good for the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Absolutely I do. I watched the full debate in the Dáil and there are huge issues in this country re: child protection and they are not just SF's/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Alex Kane must have gotten wind of something this morning. The DUP now totally playing politics and trying to drag the Alliance into it with a conspiracy theory involving them colluding with SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    More garbage from you.

    I never asked them to go across the border. I just think it hilarious people like you think they catholics in northern should have accepted Blood Sunday as being part of life and done nothing to change that fact.

    How does that detract from the point that the Assembly has always been a useless waste of time? It's a glorified county council with extremely limited power.

    Look, just becuase you don't accept democracy doesn't mean every else in the same. The nationalist vote is declining becusse people abandoned the SDLP and SF vote increased. Now, I appreciate you don't like the fact that nationalist and people in the North are entitled to an opinion, but they are, so get used to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Stop pretending you or the party you vote for dcare about child protection. How many kids are homeless again? How many kids are waiting on scoliosis surgery again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Good example of whataboutery

    What party by the way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Nobody, NOBODY has said anyone should have accepted Bloody Sunday.

    So the faux outrage posts are just the latest nonsense on here



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