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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,543 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In fairness, I don't think moderating the site can be anything but hard work. So even if it's not the best work, moderators are doing their best in terms of deciding what works IMHO. And by looks of it, there's a very limited sum of active moderators around these days.

    It's part of the political discourse and it's got plenty of credibility. Saying we can't discuss parts of what makes a controversial figure so controversial is avoiding an honest discussion IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    No but at the same time, 'hard work' is still better than 'no work' - which from what I'm reading here seems to be the way when it comes to moderation on the site.

    If Beasty were to quit this instant, what then? Doesn't seem to be a queue of people lining up to take his place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Nope, that's only an indication both sides agree that you're doing a horrible job :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,401 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If Beasty were to quit this instant, what then? Doesn't seem to be a queue of people lining up to take his place?

    Good question.

    A more pertinent question though would be how did it get to the point that there is a complete reliance on one person.

    It's either by design or apathy.

    Neither are great TBF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Well I guess we will never know, as every year or so we get the same type of thread and the same admins saying that there is some long winded process underway to try to get new mods, but its not a simple process. Surely some average mods are better than 2 admins?

    Its clear to me that dealing with the cohort of dicks is resulting in "innocent" posters being treated as if they are those same dicks, as evidenced by the multiple examples of bans that have been shared on thread already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I was warned for calling Trump the rapist a rapist.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Good question. The honest answer is that the place gets even worse. I think we need at least one more professional to manage the busier parts of the site and support admins along with at least a few for tech development. I expect that when it happens we'll get the news via airborne swine.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    there was indeed evidence. That you cannot even get that right about the case calls into question all your other claims about it. Falso in uno falsus in omnibus.

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    The only missing evidence was Trump’s DNA: Trump spent years fighting his DNA being submitted as evidence. Then when the court exhausted the time to move on, and reach a conclusion (which ended poorly for Trump, because you know, of the rape) he tried to feign demanding to have his DNA submitted into evidence as yet a new delay tactic.

    Clearly, Trump knows whose semen is on the dress. And clearly he raped her as a jury determined even though they aren’t certain whether it was a penis or a finger that he inserted into her vagina. We don’t have any posters from New York, by all of our understandings of what rape is in our jurisdictions (both Irish and the rest of the U.S.) this was rape.

    the efforts to white wash that a presidential candidate raped a woman is evidence enough of why it shouldn’t be barred from discussing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    The CA forum is just a microcosm of the Internet / world in 2024. People are heavily entrenched in their beliefs and will repeat the same stuff ad nauseum in an attempt to beat opposing posters into submission. Parts of Boards have turned into a really spiteful and nasty places which is sad to see. After Hours used to be the bastard child of the site but it's positively vanilla in comparison.

    Not calling people out specifically but the example of multiple people being sanctioned for saying "trump the rapist" or similar. Crap like that is precisely what's wrong with the site. Posters intentionally being provocative to try and enflame pro trump posters. This happens across multiple different threads on multiple different subjects.

    The historic message of "don't be a dick" is well and truly dead.

    The world, Internet and by extension Boards has become a much angrier place over the last 2 decades. If people stopped being assholes to each other and parked the pathetic oneupmanship we'd all be better off.

    For the CA forum the only answer is more mods. Beasty and 10oS are in the firing line because they are the only ones active. That's unfair on them but it's equally unfair on posters too because whether people can admit it or not, mod bias exists and someone that a mod has had several issues with is more likely to be more harshly treated by that same mod than a mod using a fresh pair of eyes. Good luck trying to get people to it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Having a tiny number of admins and no one else is essentially creating a dictatorship in specific fora though, even with the best will in the world, 1 person with no oversight is going to result in a biased scenario.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Isn't this a commercial for profit site? Like, can't boards.ie actually pay some people to do a better job, other than rely on someone who by his own admission has a few days of reported posts backlog?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm going to completely deny that I post anything like, "Donald Trump is a rapist" or "Trump the Rapist" to intentionally be provocative or to enflame pro-Trump posters.

    I do it, because

    A) in this infinite universe of infinite chance there is a remote chance that if it is repeated enough times, maybe, maybe the penny will drop that Trump is not actually a good guy, but he is in fact, scum of the Earth and yes, a rapist;

    B) That his supporters apparently do need reminding that they are supporting a sex attacker at best, rapist at worst (as seen a few posts back)

    C) that rape should not be brushed under the carpet, normalised or censored. We have had enough of that BS in this country over the years and I do find it hard to believe that boards bans us from stating facts, lest it upsets the supporters of a rapist.

    Look, if there wasn't a judgement against him, fine. No one talks about all the other attacks he's allegedly involved in after all. And there are many, the youngest being a 13 year old girl. But the fact is, there was a judgement against him. The judge said it was fine to call him a rapist and that should be that.

    So no, I don't call him a rapist to wind people up. I call him a rapist because he is one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Wholly agree. I get that some topics are polarising and that Trump is definitely one of them but that doesn't remotely mean that both sides are the same. The man is one of the worst human beings to ever have held office in any major country, period. I see no reason why we should forget that he's literally a rapist, has mocked dead soliders and their families, shafted countless illegal immigrants he bussed in to work on his shoddy construction projects, mocked a disabled reporter, lied over 30,000 times while in office, tried to normalise sexual assault, called for the execution of 5 innocent black men, spread anti-vaxx shite when tens of thousands of Americans were dying preventable deaths,….. and so on…

    So no, both sides are not the same. This isn't the US. One can admit that Clinton, Biden and Harris are imperfect, flawed candidates in a sensible way but the idea that any of them equates to a morally bankrupt, grifting rapist is objectively moronic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I do think this really a bit unfair and a bit over the top.

    I had dealings with Beasty and I wasn't really a fan, he gave me a recent 0 point warning and encouraged me to improve my posting which was fair.

    If the arguing in this thread is anything to go by then I can only imagine the amount of reports that Beasty has to look at when he logs online.

    He is I am assuming not a robot and is human and will have good days and bad days and get things wrong, he is obviously too overworked.

    Big Bag of Chips in the last feedback thread was passionate and engaged and is being piled on and the last few posts are like someone broken.

    The lads need help and boards needs to try recruit new mods for CA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    A)

    You calling Trump a rapist on boards is not going to sway someone on the fence to say actually he is not nice.

    Their is enough information available for people to form opinions.

    B)

    This is an Irish forum with Irish people who will have no affect on if Trump will get elected.

    So your aim to educate Irish people that he is a rapist is meaningless, maybe if you went on your crusade on an american site you might have a point.

    C)

    Calling Trump a rapist on boards has nothing to do with things that were covered up in this country.

    Summary

    You calling Trump a rapist on boards is going to make no difference to anyone.

    You like posting it because it winds people up and you used to get away with it.

    Oh and yes, he is not a nice person and hopefully he doesn't get elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,351 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You could say the same about 90% of the content in that thread… so unless you think all it applies to all that other content there is no case for that argument, especially the "wind up" element. Trump is a rapist, statement of fact, backed by court ruling… if that reality winds people up, that is on them and it is absurd to suggest otherwise.

    Phrasing it as say 'rapey Don' is a different matter, and the derogatory nickname ground rule makes sense to me.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    A: The universe is vast, and we have no idea, but the possibility is there. I know for a fact my presence online changed people's votes on the repeal referendum and the marriage equality vote. I know this for a fact because people DM'ed me to let me know.

    B: There are many people on this forum that have a vote in the election. If we were to only talk about things we could affect, what would be the point of the thread at all? (Or talking about English soccer teams, or many of the many different topics we talk about on boards that happen off the island?)

    C: Once again we are covering up things again in this country that are factually correct, but may upset some supporters of a rapist. I have an issue with that.

    So again, no. You're wrong. I don't post because it winds people up and I get away with it. (I don't by the way, I was warned for calling Trump a rapist on the thread after the rule was introduced.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You like posting it because it winds people up and you used to get away with it.

    And that should be fine, especially with the new CA rules which are intended to allow, IIRC, "a more robust debate" and don't allow disputes for short time bans anymore. If you don't like it, ignore it, ignore the poster, but don't ask for them to be banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,543 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm pretty sure the money isn't there to pay somebody 30k plus to moderate. And regardless, people wouldn't be happy in any scenario tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    If you're looking for something that is often posted that is posted purely to wind posters up, I give you...

    "TDS" or "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

    The most tedious insult, which is still not forbidden unlike the accurate, "Trump the rapist".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “I do it, because……..”

    Do you not think though that posting those things ad nauseum and as some sort of personal moral mission is actually a bit insulting to other posters intelligence?

    - in general CA posters are quite intelligent, have views and opinions and beliefs and read the news so we’re all pretty much up to speed with Trump - we don’t need daily reminding.

    I enjoy sharing views and engaging with others on the site and seeing different perspectives as long as they’re not shoved in my face - but having the same stuff repeated about Trump day in day out is just tiring after a while - yes we know what he is/isn’t etc and have done for quite some time , would it not be a better place on this site if we not just get on with talking about the election ins and outs and ups and downs instead?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Simply put (not that it matters a jot btw) i dont believe you. The intent is clear imo and no amount of conjecture will change that however, I want to stress my post wasn't about trump or you / anyone else specifically, it was about the overall tonal shift across the world and boards. Reasonable debate has largely fallen by the wayside (funnily enough, driven largely by trump and his ilk). If people were able to engage without having to resort to needling the world / boards would be a better place.

    And just so there are no ambiguities, I believe trump is one of the biggest pieces of crap on the planet and he should be in jail, never mind running for office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Fine. You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong you are.

    I know where I stand on the matter, and it's not my job to convince you otherwise. A look through my history will show you however that I mean what I say.

    If the world could stop supporting rapists, it would be in a lot better place.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,550 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    We had to stop using "don't be a dick" because it upset the dicks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,351 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    (Making a general point here, not trying to suggest you engage in such activity)

    I think more insulting to people's intelligence is allowing posters to seagull post, drop in, make ridiculous claim with no evidence or misrepresented evidence, not have to support their answers… cue posters completely discrediting it with facts and data. Rinse and repeat several times … previous claims memory holed and ignorance feigned. That appears to currently be allowed by CA moderation at present.

    But the statement of fact that Trump is a rapist is not allowed in the election thread… even when posters make positive claims about Trump's character or negative claims about Harris's.

    If people are "needled" by that, that is entirely on them and the scrutiny should be on that reaction, moderation should not be pandering to it.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Imo the slide began when someone kicked off about the prison forum and the site bowed to the vocal minority. It used to be one of the most entertaining places on the site where the dicks were treated with the contempt they deserved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    The support animals have arrived.

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    Warned: Trolling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,022 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I don't think anyone who watched her on Anderson Cooper could come to the assumption you did. Why didn't she file a criminal complaint, why wait so long. Why act like she won the lotto, wasn't she spending the money on dogs and holidays not sexual assault victims. The only victim was Trump from another grifter is my take on it.

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    Warning: Trolling

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,550 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    IMHO, mods should be paid employees, not posters and definitely not actively posting on threads they also moderate.

    On the last feedback thread posters were advised that if we thought something needed immediate mod attention, that we shouldn't hesitate to PM the mods / admins, as well as flag a report, in case it wasn't seen.

    I did this recently, and I promise I am not exaggerating when I say I got the head bitten off me for doing so, with a lecture on how I shouldn't expect mods to be "on call" and how they have lives too.

    I understand mods are volunteers and have busy lives too. But if they don't have time to commit to the role, maybe they should honestly reconsider if they should be doing it.



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