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Solar PV battery options

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,954 ✭✭✭Raoul


    And how difficult is it to get a proper registered electrician to install something like your ad.

    I had seen you ad already actually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭championc


    It's a 3 core AC cable to a breaker in your Fuseboard.

    PM me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 __Alex


    Sorry, just seeing this now! I'm very happy, it's been working flawlessly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 petekh


    Hello, long time stalker of this forum.

    Getting a 4.5kw array installed on a south facing roof in 2 weeks and the system will be battery ready.

    Anyone seen the newer company called GoKWH based out of China? They can deliver a 15KW battery and BMS in a full housing for about 2k euro. No taxes on top.

    They have an Aliexpress presence and they also are available via the two well known sites people buy from on here.

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    I've spoken to a representative of the company and your can by the battery with Paypal for buyer protection also.

    I'd just like someone's experience to confirm I'm not overlooking anything with this Unit with regard for adding to a 5KW Solis Hybrid invertor.

    I'd post a link but the forum will not let me. :/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


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    Correct me if I'm wrong but this looks to be a really good deal with Gobel being a brand I recognise from boards. Could put together a really big battery for peanuts if shipping isn't prohibitive. What's the catch?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Decent price alright and similar to nkon albeit these come with the extra epoxy sheets.

    Price with 50 day delivery

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    Price with 5 day delivery 🙈

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Yeah used 50 "day" delivery in the past, ended up being about 90 days so just be ready to wait a looooong time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Exact same on gobel prebuilt battery that a family member purchased from them earlier this year. Took 94 days although in saying I have nothing bad to say about the battery itself as above advertised capacity and well built



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Only thing I will say now that I got cases for them, nkon cells are a bit fat (which is expected for B grade) so a tight squeeze.

    A grade with no cycles will fit more nicely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Mad_Mike


    Just a quick question here and I'm sure it's been covered numerous times in all these PV discussions

    Say for example I get PV installed plus inverter etc and it's all done by company along with RECI cert etc

    If I want to add a DIY battery at a later stage, whether I make it myself or buy a ready made DIY option, do I need an electrician to install it and certify it, or does it affect the original certification of the job?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,198 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    No need for an electrician for installing a battery. I would recommend getting a hybrid inverter installed at the start though, if you get a normal inverter installed, then an electrician will have to replace that with a hybrid inverter later

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    Why would that be? Seems to me that replacing a string inverter with a hybrid is basically plug and play with all the crimping and cable runs already going to the old string inverter, unplug pv1 and 2, ac cable, ground and maybe cat5 and away you go. Unless a new nc6 needs to be submitted, but I've never found an answer to that yet if still under the 25amp limit with new inverter.

    ☀️ 8.2kWp ⚡4kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,198 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Technically you would need a new NC6 because the hardware changed. And these days only an electrician can submit one. Back in the day, you could do your own, it was a very simple 1 page form 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Also it's a fixed appliance, while it's not a hard thing to do, your not meant to change it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    Are we talking about the battery or in the inverter swap here?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    Is there any documentation re the nc6 on changing inverters that anyone knows of, I haven't been able to locate any. TIA

    ☀️ 8.2kWp ⚡4kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭championc


    The main thing about the NC6 is that it advised ESBN that you are potentially exporting into their grid.

    It became an additional function of facilitating the utility companies to pay you for power exported.

    Size mattered for when deemed export payments were made, but I don't think the specifics are as important as they once were



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭idc


    I would of thought the main reason was ESBN know what generation you are connecting to the grid and that the inverter complies with standards/settings they require. Hence adding a second inverter or even replacing inverter A with inverter B would require a new NC6 application.


    Edit: Ignore all that !!! according to email reply from ESBN no need for a new one unless capacity changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    Thats good to know, thanks for the post,,😎

    ☀️ 8.2kWp ⚡4kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,183 ✭✭✭John mac


    be sure the Hybrid inverter you get can take DIY batteries, (Huawei , Solax ) are high voltage so wont work with 48V DIY battery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,198 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Good suggestion, but just to clarify the finer points here: the problem is not that they only take high voltage batteries. I would be very happy to build a DIY high voltage battery. It is a superior solution as you would have far less losses converting from high voltage DC PV strings to high voltage DC battery.

    Their problem is that they only take proprietary batteries, so you are stuck with a very limited range of off the shelf batteries, which limits your options and will not give you good value for money

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    And just to add to this.

    The Huawei battery itself (and I'd put good money on the solax being the same way) is a low voltage battery. As they are all LFP based.

    The DC DC converter is to high voltage is in the battery rather than in the inverter.

    There's no real gain in the Huawei in regards to losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Sligobuck


    I can confirm the Solax LFP Triple Power batteries are proper high voltage batteries with a 36 cell arangement. I have 3 of them still running here since May 2020.

    Not sure if the efficiency of the HV batteries is worth it over home build 48v batteries given how cheap it is to build 48v batteries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,198 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I was comparing apples with apples. So a home build 48V battery vs a home build high voltage battery 😁

    Friend of mine has actually done this. Using CAN to bypass the proprietary software of the inverter. He has several EV batteries that he is not at the moment using, so he can use any one of them for his home storage. This dude is next level though. Has converted several cars to EV too.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Lost that bet anyway 😂

    But yeah the efficiency gain isn't much!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 eiritated


    Learning a lot from this thread!

    For those who don't want a DIY/kit option, are there any finished products offering the same quality of components/cells?

    Or is the technology just moving quicker in the DIY space versus the time taken to train, certify and market a finished product?

    I've lost confidence in some of the popular options such as Pylontech from reading here. But maybe brands such as BYD (Battery Box) do offer quality, at a price?

    I want the reliable, plug-and-play option but I don't want to be ripped-off buying an Amstrad (looks high-tech on the outside but built to the minimal cost inside!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭positron


    Getting solar in two weeks (14 panels E/W orientations, solis inverter and dyness 5k battery) - can't wait! Installer is planning to put everything in the attic at the moment, which is okay..ish but what if I want to add another 10kWh-15kWh battery in future, the joists / truss roof… can it handle the weight?

    Just wondering… if I were to ask them to install the inverter and battery on the outside wall to the side of the house (there's plenty of room)… is a garden tool shed (like Keter etc) is that's needed to keep everything dry and warm? Or is there a more permanent, metal enclosure type thing that will take all these components (and allow for DIY batteries in future)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭championc


    Most kit is IP65 rated (waterproof).

    So you only have to worry about frost.

    A good BMS will prevent charging when the temperature is below zero



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    The problem you have there is theft if the access is easy. Will it be visible from the road. Thieves know now what battery's are worth.

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



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