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Dispute with mod

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  • #362
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741233#Comment_122741233

    I haven't been told, at all.

    I looked at the warning in the op (that I was told to)

    And there are to be no link dumps. If you wish to post a link set out what it is about and your own views on it.

    Ok. Fine.

    So I asked if I'd be warned for the following:

    The following embedded link contains a clip from the FOX interview between Harris and Baier.

    I enjoyed this quite a lot:

    INSERT LINK WITH FREEZEFRAME OF HARRIS AND BAIER MID-INTERVIEW

    Might actually watch the full thing. She didn't put up with any sh*t here. Fair play to her

    I think the (absolutely redundant) sentence

    The following embedded link contains a clip from the FOX interview between Harris and Baier.

    "Sets out what it is about" even though it is plainly obvious as to what it is.

    And

    I enjoyed this quite a lot:

    INSERT LINK WITH FREEZEFRAME OF HARRIS AND BAIER MID-INTERVIEW

    Might actually watch the full thing. She didn't put up with any sh*t here. Fair play to her"

    Quite obviously "gives my own views on it".

    And you said "yes", I would still be warned.

    So yes, it's as clear as mud as to what constitutes a linkdump.

    The only ones that matter are the moderators of the forum.

    And there we have it.

    You can mod on a whim, it doesn't matter because the admin and mods will protect each other and have each others backs.

    I get that the CA mods and Admin are under enormous pressure, but you are doing absolutely nothing in any way to entice people to volunteer to become moderators. It is completely plainly obvious to all and sundry that they are DESPERATELY required.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741250#Comment_122741250

    It's such a far cry from when we had DeVore, Regi, Cloud and the rest.

    How far we have fallen.



  • #363
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741397#Comment_122741397

    People can't break down the hypotheticals you dream up

    What does that mean? It wasn't a hypothetical, details were slightly changed but it happened pretty much exactly as described. At least twice.

    If I post "he said it, it wasn't taken out of context. He said it, and he meant it" that to me would be 'discussion', but "straight from the horses mouth" isn't? That's a ridiculous level of over moderation, imho



  • #364
    TheChrisD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741451#Comment_122741451

    Aw man, DeVore and Dav. Such good level-headed people open to fair discussion about policy.

    You're right, the place now is a far cry from when they were around.



  • #365
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741336#Comment_122741336

    Or maybe the mods, and admins, will bend over backwards to change things, once again, to suit those who just can’t seem to keep within “the rules”.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #366
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741460#Comment_122741460

    If details were changed then it didn't happen and was a hypothetical.

    "Pretty much exactly" 🙄 why would you need to change details?



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  • #367
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741484#Comment_122741484

    To be fair, they also had an amazing support team. Beruthiel, Victor, Ruubot…

    The present team just don't have those volunteers with big personalities.

    And why would they?

    What is in it for mods and admins anymore?

    Do they still even have mod beers?



  • #368
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741318#Comment_122741318

    He's uncivil.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #369
    reclose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭reclose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741318#Comment_122741318

    I agree with everything you are saying. I’ve no doubt this poster wouldn’t speak to anyone in that tone in real life.



  • #370
    The_Macho_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    I used to post here a lot, years ago, until about 2012.

    The moderators were much less open to discussion about moderation back then: it was very much the era of “what I say goes” from the moderators, and Feedback/Feedforward/Helpdesk threads could barely be read through the dust kicked up from the wagons being circled.

    BIG BAG OF CHIPS and ANCAPAILLDORCHA actually being willing to explain their position to the peons makes a huge change from the “glory days” when there was a forum dedicated to laughing at posters trying to appeal their bans. The only problem is the modern users are too stubborn or wilfully obtuse to try to understand, so these arguments become circular.



  • #371
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I'm genuinely confused right now … so, we're not allowed post links now, is that correct? 🤔

    When did that happen?!? (genuine questions)

    I mean, one of my favourite threads on AH (and I think the only one I follow) is the "Who'd live in a house like this?" thread, which usually consists of links to properties.



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  • #372
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,542 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741636#Comment_122741636

    No. That's not correct.



  • #373
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,565 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741651#Comment_122741651

    Then what is the correct etiquette? I am genuinely confused too.



  • #374
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741651#Comment_122741651

    Okay, … I edited the post above to add the example of the "Who'd live in a house like this" thread on AH where posters post links to properties up for sale - is that within the rules?



  • #375
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,542 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Really? What are you confused about?

    I have explained it multiple times throughout the thread. Multiple times. In a post in response to another poster I even linked a specific post, with a specific post number where I explain it clearly. The poster who has posted that posting links should be banned is not an administrator or moderator. So what he says should not taken as any indication of new rules.

    A poster was given a warning for link dumping. It has been explained to him a number of times why he got the warning and how to avoid getting the warning in future. That he is determined to not accept the explanation is not the fault of any moderator on this site. It also doesn't change the position of any moderator on this site. The warning was valid. Stands. more will be issued if the poster continues to post in the same manner.



  • #376
    TheChrisD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741721#Comment_122741721

    I think people are confused because it sounds like you are saying that external links are not allowed if the user does have a sufficiently girthy post body along with it that basically explains in-depth what the external link is all about, and completely summarises it to the extent that you may as well have not had the external link in the post at all to begin with.

    It also sounds like you are not budging on the request that instead of taking said individual post within a thread by itself, that you take the chance to understand the context of the post within the surrounding posts in a thread.

    >That he is determined to not accept the explanation is not the fault of any moderator on this site.

    Because we are debating your explanation, as it is coming across to us standard users as pointless over-moderation.

    >It also doesn't change the position of any moderator on this site.

    And we believe that this position is a bad one to take, and should be changed.

    ___________________________________________________________

    Warned: Deliberately misunderstanding and misrepresenting the moderator instruction. Trolling.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • #377
    The_Macho_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    ”Sufficiently girthy.” 🤣



  • #378
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741774#Comment_122741774

    That's how I like a penis, not a post with a link.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #379
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,542 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741751#Comment_122741751

    What "it sounds like" is your interpretation. I have never said anything like what you think "it sounds like". Nor has any other moderator or admin.

    You can debate my explanation all you like. It won't change it.

    That you believe "this position is a bad one to take" is irrelevant.

    These are the rules of this site. As agreed by moderators and admins.

    Here comes the power trip mods and admins are always being accused of….

    The rules are outlined and explained. If you don't understand them, that's not our problem. If you don't like them, you are free to take your posting to a site that more aligns with your needs.



  • #380
    Green Peter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741808#Comment_122741808

    Everyone is out of step but our Johnny



  • #381
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741721#Comment_122741721

    Really? What are you confused about?

    Jeez, where do we begin?! 🤣

    Truthfully, maybe you're not explaining it well enough. Maybe I am being extraordinarily thick today.

    Now, I know you only value moderators and admins opinions, as you yourself said,

    The only ones that matter are the moderators of the forum.

    But for the lulz (as we used to say), why don't we throw this to the floor and you might see where the confusion lies.

    If the mod instruction is:

    And there are to be no link dumps. If you wish to post a link set out what it is about and your own views on it.

    And someone posts:

    The following embedded link contains a clip from the FOX interview between Harris and Baier.

    I enjoyed this quite a lot:

    INSERT LINK WITH FREEZEFRAME OF HARRIS AND BAIER MID-INTERVIEW

    Might actually watch the full thing. She didn't put up with any sh*t here. Fair play to her

    Does that warrant a warning?

    And if it does, why?

    It makes no sense to me whatsoever, but apparently it has been explained to me "multiple times". So if someone can help me out, I'd really appreciate not feeling like a complete thicko.



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  • #382
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I don't understand it either and telling us we should know as it's been explained to us isn't helping.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #383
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,822 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739031#Comment_122739031

    In fairness I wasn't talking about specific posts or yours , just in general terms Flaneur .

    There has to be a cut off and you appear to have just been on that edge ..harsh yes maybe , wrong I don't believe so .



  • #384
    blackbox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I just don't understand how people can go on and on and on complaining about something they are getting for free.



  • #385
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741835#Comment_122741835

    I just want the rule to make sense.

    I and many other have posted many videos like that, as it goes with the flow of the conversation. Jeez, if it was retroactively applied, me and many others would be sitebanned!

    We've never needed to idiot-proof links before. I just want to understand why they want us to now.

    It's crazy and it's either dumbing down boards, or being used in a way to get rid of regular posters.

    I do not get along with everyone in that thread (obviously) however, I am shocked at how many have been banned recently! And there's no DRP for CA anymore!

    Madness!

    "This site would be great if it wasn't for the users", some volunteer moderation/admin, somewhere.



  • #386
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741877#Comment_122741877

    You should see twitter...



  • #387
    TheChrisD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741808#Comment_122741808

    >If you don't understand them, that's not our problem.

    Or perhaps they're not explained properly in a forum charter…

    Honestly this is starting to sound more and more like that indie game King of the Bridge, where you only discover the rules of the game after you have already broken them when you play what most — if not the majority of the world — would consider "normally".



  • #388
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741877#Comment_122741877

    You know in the last "feedback thread" there was a good few of us that were trying to bring back subscriptions to boards. I was a subscriber for years, best €50 a year I never missed.

    The place obviously needs to make money so it can hire the staff it needs. No interest in engagement on that one though.



  • #389
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741835#Comment_122741835

    Can you tell us what level of detail you think would have brought that post over the edge?

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #390
    Rooks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741751#Comment_122741751

    "external links are not allowed if the user does have a sufficiently girthy post body along with it that basically explains in-depth what the external link is all about, and completely summarises it to the extent that you may as well have not had the external link in the post at all to begin with."

    I think you've nailed it here. That is exactly what I interpret this rule as.



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  • #391
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122741963#Comment_122741963

    I don't think you've got it right there, they want 'discussion' around a link, not description.

    Quoting myself again:

    If I post "he said it, it wasn't taken out of context. He said it, and he meant it" that to me would be 'discussion', but "straight from the horses mouth" isn't? That's a ridiculous level of over moderation, imho



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