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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭scottser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    No they didnt.

    Harold Ford Jr said she did well, guess what, he is a Democrat, he is Fox's devils advocate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ashli Babbit was killed after attempting to lead a charge through a window that a fellow rioter had smashed via repeated punches to the glass, and did not heed the warnings of Capitol policemen not to proceed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ashli_Babbitt

    Babbitt had been warned not to proceed through the window: one witness recalled that "A number of police and Secret Service were saying 'Get back! Get down! Get out of the way!'; [Babbitt] didn't heed the call.

    She wasn't some lost sightseer trying to get to the next part of an exciting tour of the Capitol, or whatever búllshít these silly MAGA revisionists try to suggest before running away. She was part of a mob who were actively seeking out certain politicians like Nancy Pelosi in order to grievously hurt or, more than likely, kill them. Although pretty much any politician outside of the real MAGA hardcores would have probably met a sticky end at their hands.

    Shooting her was 100 percent lawful, and Trump himself disavowed the portion of protestors who went violent on the day. That's his official position. So unless he was telling porkies on that Jan 7th address….

    Which is not to say that it was not tragic that she got to that position and got so wrapped up in Trump's lies that she participated in the events that got her killed. It is, but it's obviously not a series of events the Capitol police and Secret Service could unpick at that time. They had to deal with the threat she posed, and did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Car crash is of course way over board as is Disaster,

    I'm not a fan of either candidate but Trump at this stage is better off doing nothing & saying nothing if he wants to win,

    Which just shows how bad both are , hes best off staying away from an interviews that could slip him up ,

    Again that shows hes far from what you would want in a president



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So maybe rather than relying on opinions of other people, you could elaborate on what you felt was a car crash about the interview. Or at least detail one thing she did that was worse or on par of any of the numerous weird things Trump has done recently that you haven't commented on.

    Cause again, this just announcing it's a disaster then running away when asked to elaborate only makes it look like you have no reason for your opinion.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ok, so you disagree with those charactisations. Great.

    How would you classify Trumps recent behaviour?

    For example he recently dodged questions about Putin. Do you think that's worse than the nitpick you had about Harris' interview?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    No. Did you even watch the video in the post you're replying to? Go to 45 seconds. You'll hear Dana Perino (Republican host on Fox) say that Kamala was effective in going after Trump.

    Lord above. You're not even trying anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Run away when asked to elaborate, really.

    It was midnight, I went to bed, I will reply in more detail later, I have a busy day of work.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Speaking of January 6th , Trump was at a Univision townhall in the last day or two and an audience member stood up and said "I'm a republican, but I was really unhappy with what happened on January 6th and how you handled it on the day and afterwards" he also asked about the many former members of the Trump admin that no longer support Trump and asked "Why should I support you now?"

    This was how Trump responded - By lying his ass off and basically telling the guy that he didn't care what he thought.

    Trump replied that only "a very small portion" of people in his previous administration no longer supported him. He also downplayed the Capitol riot and suggested it was a "day of love."

    "You had hundreds of thousands of people come to Washington. They didn't come because of me. They came because of the election. They thought the election was a rigged election, and that's why they came," Trump said. "Some of those people went down to the Capitol. I said, 'Peacefully and patriotically.' Nothing done wrong at all."

    Trump added that many voters, including those in the Latino community, would support him in November. "Maybe we'll get your vote," he said. "Sounds like maybe I won't, but that's OK, too."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    and still no specifics for the alleged car crash 🤠



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There have also been many sleeps since you shied away from explaining your deep state nonsense too.

    This is the disaster this is the car wreck ^ 🤭



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So did all the others..Did you watch it?

    They ALL said that she had done well , Yes they also said that some of her answers weren't great etc. ,which is fine and not unfair.

    But not one of them called it a disaster or anything other that a solid interview and all said that more of this type of interview was needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes. It's a tactic you've used repeatedly on this thread. For example, you've repeatly refused to respond to questions about your deep state conspiracy theory. Or when you're asked to comment on any of the actual car crashes Trump gets away with.

    In your original post or any time after you could have pointed out even a single example of something you believe was part of the car crash. Or you could have done so when I asked you in that previous point.

    If you are able to elaborate, please do so. But your current tactic of not elaborating only makes it look like you can't.

    Experience tells me that you most likely won't.

    As a reminder, please explain what you believe was a car crash in the interview and how it was worse than Trump's dodging questions about his calls to Putin for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It might be a one liner but she very much so admitted that Harris was pretty effective in the interview, physically when going against her opponent. But a vague claim of a car crash from you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Of course I watched it.

    Fox wanted her to appear on the network, they are not going to put the knife in directly afterwards by saying how poor a performance it was. Sublety is required.

    Yes they said it was the type of interview needed, they want her to do more interviews like that, so that she will mess up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Having watched the Baier interview, I really didn't see any car crash elements. Kamala held her ground well in almost every answer she gave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's funny how Trump seems to think that because he said 'peacefully and patriotically' that this completely takes away any blame.

    This would hold more weight if he didn't, for example, record a single with several Jan 6th prisoners over the phone last year (?), or refer to them as 'hostages' who would receive pardons, "if they're innocent", if he regained the White House.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh right..

    So Fox News out of the goodness of their hearts ,didn't want to kick her while she was down?

    That's the story you are going with???

    Jesus , that's pathetic.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So the conspiracy theory now is that the Fox News presenters who you previously said didn't agree the interview went well are now all lying that it went well to trick Harris into doing more interviews that will go badly. And this is obviously the case as the interview was clearly a car crash.

    But you also can't explain why the interview went badly…

    That is not convincing.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's up there with the "All I said was , It's a lovely house you have , it'd be terrible if something happened to it" defence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Fox wanted her to appear on the network, they are not going to put the knife in directly afterwards by saying how poor a performance it was. Sublety is required.

    HAHAHA!. WHAT are you on? There's 3 weeks until the election. There is absolutely no chance that if Kamala had badly slipped up that Fox wouldn't be sticking the knife in. There is no 4d chess going on here. She just didn't really slip up, is the simpler explanation.

    You think Fox want to be subtle and treat her nicely just in case they get another interview in that timespan? You don't live in this universe.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also, seems like a very easy trap to avoid. Just don't do another Fox interview.

    Surely the Deep State agents who are in control of her (according to Mranarchy) would see this tactic as easily as he did and simply not allow her to do another interview.

    They've already got what they wanted out of it, since most people believe that the interview went ok or went well. They've closed down another nitpick from Trump supporters about how she "isn't doing enough interviews."

    If this was an elaborate ploy by Fox, then they've kinda shot themselves in the foot. A car crash of a ploy.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To summarise the two candidates recent Media/Public appearances.

    Harris went on Fox News and was a bit "filibustery" in her answers to some questions , but overall held her own quite well. You might disagree with what she said , but all of it formed complete sentences.

    Trump held a "townhall" where he took only 4 questions and then stood on stage for 40 minutes swaying to Music.

    He held a Fox News Town hall with Women (Which were all handpicked by Fox and were almost exclusively GOP Activists) and still managed to F*ck it up by calling himself the "Godfather of IVF" and called a female Senator "Fantastically attractive" (not good at her job or anything non-sexist like that).

    He sat down for an Interview with Bloomberg and a load of economists and told them they were all stupid and that only he knew how tariffs worked , he responded to a question about Google by going off on a rant about voting in Virginia.

    And finally , he went on Univision and told the Audience that he nothing happened on January 6th and he didn't care if they didn't like him because some other people will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    This makes no sense at all, why wouldn't they be blunt or the voice of reason if she viewed her to be terrible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭scottser


    As has been pointed out several times, Trump's base will vote for him no matter how bad he is. The battle is for swing voters and Harris is doing a far more effective job of securing those votes than Rapey Don is. In fact, the more he stays at home the more she will hoover up those votes as she is showing herself to be at least competent and confident, whereas Trump is literally the turd that won't flush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    Really? Holding her ground well on the illegal immigration question is quite a stretch. Which policy proposal did you like here?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,569 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    "Sublety is required" - the entire modern operating history of Fox News very strongly suggests the absolute opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'll agree with you on the bit about Trump needing to stay quiet and away from any interviews if he wants to win and your point about car crash being OTT as is disaster. His performance on stage at his rallies voicing his opinions and his "positions" on what matters to the electorate is equally damaging to his election hopes.

    One the other day had him putting the economic woes of the voters lower than his fixation on the millions crossing the borders of the US. It got me thinking on that, as the southern border is not the only border where immigrants enter the US.

    Hopefully he continues to use his right of free speech in public and on his own media site displaying his fixation with that section of the US border putting the economy third after his rating of Harris's ability to fit into the office of president compared to his.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    again? When did she mess up at all?

    Still no details 🤥



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