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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Trump is edging further ahead with the betting exchanges every day.

    Now a clear favourite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I see the UN is calling Gaza an "unliveable wasteland".

    All under the current administration which includes Kamala Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    For all the Irish Trump supporters it's worth remembering Ireland is at the front of the line for special attention if Trump wins. Trump, Vance and their advisors have been increasingly singling us out. Concerning for jobs and investment here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Latest episode of the Allan Lichtman podcast analysing the early voting stats.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    it’s a 2 horse race. It’s Harris v Trump.

    Who will be better for the Palestinians? Trump or Harris.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    And what will Trump do to make this situation any better?

    In a press conference in August 2024, Donald Trump said he encouraged Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to "get it over with" regarding the ongoing conflict, urging Israel to secure a victory and end the violence. Trump stated, "The killing has to stop." He also criticized calls for a ceasefire, arguing that it would allow Hamas to regroup and launch further attacks, referencing the deadly events of October 7, 2023.

    "Get it over with" has a strong ring to it, don't you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Have to have a Job in the areas to be effected by any of that to a large extent, but it could lead to reduction in sw payments and related services



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I've only started it myself, but the impression I'm getting is that Lichtman finds the early stats encouraging from a Harris point of view, if we're assuming (and this is certainly an assumption) that voters will pretty much vote in line with their declared party affiliation.

    There is of course the potential caveat of early votes skewing Democratic. Will this hold true in this election and would there be a red surge on election day? We can only wait and see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Did Harris really say Trump will manipulate the DOJ to target his political enemies, because that's what dictators do

    Lawd av mercy 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Harris didn't say it, Trump did.

    Trump has positioned political revenge as a "central part of his presidential campaign," Axios said. In part, that includes his previous suggestion that he might "install a special prosecutor to investigate [President Joe] Biden if he returns to the White House." He has also told his inner circle of advisors and friends that he would like the Department of Justice to "investigate specific former aides and allies who are now critical of him" in a second term, The Washington Post said. 

    You could have googled this…it is pretty easy to do.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Trump has said he’ll do it, many times. Many, many times. He’s a man child

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Not sure either candidate will make any difference. Trump just says what the Dems say in private. The shadow of Gaza and misery of the people living there is certainly the elephant in the room when it comes to this election. Most of the stuff discussed here so utterly trivial in comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Unfortunately, to you or I it might be important, to the average American voter it won't be that much of an issue. It seems to be of more importance to voters with ties to the region, I am not saying that Americans won't or don't care, more so that their desires for this would be a diplomatic resolution.

    When it comes to voting, healthcare, the economy, immigration, national security and social issues all come before the conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump called Georgia SoS an 'enemy of the people' (I can provide a clip of him saying this if you like). Why? Because the Georgia SoS followed the letter of the law rather than go along with Trump's request to essentially manufacture non-existent votes for him.

    If I step back a second, I find it pretty unbelievable that such a thing even happened in the USA. No matter how much the usual suspects may try to normalise such behaviour or hope it gets lost in the general media onslaught, Trump actually said that in that context.

    In the same way I wouldn't trust a convicted armed robber as a bank manager, I would not trust Trump, who has already flagrantly tried to overturn one democratic vote, to wield the instruments of power in a civically responsible way. Does this sound reasonable to you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The other way of looking at is, Harris /might/ be as bad as Trump on Gaza, but Trump definitely will be much worse than Harris on Ukraine, International trade and stability between the remaining superpowers US, EU and China and the Tump would be an absolute catastrophe for the US domestic political landscape

    Is there a single political position in which Trump is actually better or less harmful than Harris?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And said Americans he doesn't like are 'the enemy within' and should be dealt with the national guard and the military.

    “We have some very bad people, we have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the—and it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”

    Even Donald Trump’s MAGA allies are in disbelief over the Republican presidential nominee’s recent comments.

    Several leading Republicans have outright refused to acknowledge that direct quotes from Trump’s weekend interview with Fox News’s Maria Bartiromo were actually what he said. Trump claimed on video that the real election threat in November was his critics, such as California Representative Adam Schiff, whom he referred to as “the enemy from within,” and that the military should be called in to forcibly intervene with the election.


    https://newrepublic.com/post/187178/donald-trump-team-freaking-enemy-within-military

    While in office Trump tried to manipulate the DOJ to target his political enemies already: for instance… Saturday Night Live.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/donald-trump-snl-doj

    It was the middle of Donald Trump’s presidency, and he was—yet again—mad at Saturday Night Live. And he wanted the federal government to help him settle the score. In March 2019, the then-president of the United States had just watched an episode of the long-running, liberal-leaning NBC sketch comedy series (it wasn’t even a new episode, it was a rerun), and grew immediately incensed that the show was gently mocking him. “It’s truly incredible that shows like Saturday Night Live, not funny/no talent, can spend all of their time knocking the same person (me), over & over, without so much of a mention of ‘the other side,’” Trump tweeted, long before he was banned from Twitter for inspiring a violent mob. “Like an advertisement without consequences. Same with Late Night Shows. Should Federal Election Commission and/or FCC look into this?”

    It was, on its face, a ridiculous question and threat, as SNL is obviously satire, and therefore a form of protected speech in America that pissed-off commanders-in-chief have no authority to directly subvert. However, then-President Trump went farther than simply tweeting his displeasure with the late-night comedians and SNL writers’ room. The internal discussions that followed, between the former leader of the free world and some of his political and legal advisers, once again underscored just how much Trump wanted to use the full weight and power of the U.S. government to punish his personal enemies.

    He similarly has gone after Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert this year, alleging they are violating election laws by making fun of him.

    Given Project 2025 and Trump's Agenda 47 proxy both state he will use 'Schedule F' to fill the government with partisan hacks, there is no counterindication that he wouldn't use the full effects of a corrupted government to punish his political enemies such as these, in the ways he has threatened currently and in the past to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Further confirmation Biden was stabbed in the back.

    Nancy Pelosi revealed in a new interview that she still has not spoken to President Biden after being part of the Democratic pressure campaign for him to drop out of the race. 

    Who needs enemies when you have colleagues like her.

    Its clear now that Biden was forced to step down by Pelosi, Schumer and other high ranking Democrats and pave the way for The Switch.

    Pelosi also added she considers Trump's name a swear word and, because she is Catholic, refuses to say it. 😂

    “I hardly ever say his name,” Pelosi said.

    “I think [Trump is] a grotesque word…You just don’t like the word passing your lips,” she added. “I just don’t. I’m afraid, you know, when I grew up Catholic, as I am now, if you said a bad word, you could burn in hell if you didn’t have a chance to confess. So I don’t want to take any chances.”

    “It’s up there with, like, swearing.”

    Post edited by MisterAnarchy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This doesn't confirm anything except that they haven't spoken.

    She hasn't been all that important to the functions of the presidency for some time now, she was last Speaker in Jan 2023, and Hakeem Jeffries has been the Democrat's House leader since that time. It's natural they wouldn't talk as regularly as they may have used to eg. when she was 3rd in the line of succession and the House Democrat leader.

    You can see from WH Visitor Logs she has gone months sometimes between visits eg. 12/4/2023 and then 3/17/2024. Did she stab him in December, too? lol

    Nice to have a POTUS that doesn't hide the visitor logs, BTW.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Remind us, what has Trump said about some of his political allies again over the years?

    Save us the faux outrage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Any direct quotes of him saying it? 'he also told his inner circle of advisors' yada yada

    Harris didn't say it….fact check



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You were implying that Harris made up the statement, she got it and was repeating what Trump has said.

    Get over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    An federal judge, probably some lefty communist marxist fascist, has stopped Alabama from purging the voter rolls of thousands of voters ahead of the eleciton. The AL Secretary of State targeted naturalized American citizens who had previously received noncitizen IDs but who were now in fact eligible to vote. The liberal activist judge handed a win to the DOJ that -

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    …Oh wait I'm sorry it's a Trump appointed judge. Just kidding. ;)

    https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2024/10/alabama-must-stop-removing-voters-from-active-rolls-ahead-of-presidential-election-judge-rules.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=redditsocial&utm_campaign=redditor

    Manasco, who was appointed to the federal bench by former President Donald Trump in 2020, said she could not discount the negative impact that such a notice from the state would have on a potential voter.

    States are not supposed to do things like eg. voter purges within 90 days of an election but it's 2024 and MAGA has no path left to win fairly outright so here we are I guess. It's the same story in Virginia with hundreds of eligible voters purged so far from the rolls in the last few weeks because they naturalized at some point after receiving state noncitizen drivers licenses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Trying not to look at individual polls - but this Quinnipiac one is tantalising with NC opening early voting tomorrow.

    Although could NC really be 9 points to the left of GA? Seems unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    NC is gonna be up in the air over the hurricane issues, polling and voting. Whole places in the state off the map, people aren't exactly going to be responding to polls from these areas, though some may still get a chance to vote from where they are taking safe harbor. I would make no predictions either way for NC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It was long seen as more likely to go blue than Georgia - and has had an influx of liberals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    This early voting might not be what people think.

    Trump has asked voters to vote early too, I definitely think the Republicans have learned alot from 2020 and will mobilise as much support as possible.

    Voter registrations are up across the country and there will be less chance of voter fraud with heightened security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Looking a bit desperate for good news there eh: reporting from Mohave County, Arizona - Hmm I wonder how they voted in 2020:

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    Oh, right.

    And what has Trump said:

    And what did he say just minutes before beginning his 'episode' of swaying to music for 39 minutes: told them to vote 2 months late.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-town-hall-january-5-election-day-b2629422.html

    Ultimately in 2020, early voting was evenly split across AZ: 37.4% Democrat, 37.0% republican and 25.6% Independent/Other

    https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/AZ.html

    But keep the dream alive, the betting odds are ever in one's favor if they want to bet their whole life savings and line of credit on Trump 😗



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    Anyone hearing runours Hillary is going to replace kamala?



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