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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    That's a compromise some people will make (reluctantly or otherwise) for sure - hold their nose and go for the 'least worst' option. Though given the events of the last year I'm not sure Democrats really offer any genuine hope at all given their actions (they'll constantly urge a ceasefire, but do absolutely nothing to bring it about).

    But unlike others in the thread I truly can't blame people who choose to vote for a third-party or not vote at all given what they see unfolding. What's even the point in even voting if you can't vote for someone you actually agree with or support? That's the reality of the US electoral system, yes, but it's also what leaves so many potential voters disillusioned or deeply distrustrful of the current two-party system.

    Of course, I don't have a vote in the US and don't have to make a decision on who to vote for. I don't envy those who do have a vote but who aren't comfortable voting Harris & yet despise Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Thing is, Harris worked her way up to where she's gotten. Trump inherited the equivalent of 400 million and had life handed to him on a platter. So I'm not sure if the optics of a billionaire doing a photo op of frying fries is particularly genius. I'd also be amazed if he spends more than a few minutes there.

    But you're a neutral observer, of course. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I think so.

    Same on the Dem side, add in the picking of Walz over Shapiro, Walz won't add a State but Shapiro would likely have delivered Penn and the Presidency, but the chaos in the party of having a Jew on the ticket ended that idea.

    It may be enough to cost the Whitehouse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Hold your nose and vote for whoever you deem to be the lesser evil in that case.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,728 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Broadly I agree - Like I said , it's a sh!tty choice but that's the key feature of a 2 Party system with FPTP voting.

    When the options are only A or B , you are never going to have alignment across the board.

    The 2 US parties are actually probably hosting 3 or more clear groups under their umbrellas , although the GOP have been working hard to expel and alienate all but the "MAGA" sect for a while now. So generally picking either side involves a LOT of compromise from most voters.

    Apathy whilst understandable is self-defeating in that by not making a choice , one gets made for you so if the "worst worst" option wins rather than the "least worst" you have only yourself to blame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It is a relevant topic, but for Harris, or any nominee I believe, it’s not possible to square her policy in a way to keep Palestinian Americans/muslims and the sizeable Jewish community happy. Regardless of what her stance is, she’s going to gain and lose votes along the way. Couple that with the fact that the US support of Israel isn’t something that the president can change with any real effect quickly, and I’m not surprised the messaging has been lukewarm on it.

    But my point is still that you cannot simply look at it in a one dimensional way. Criticising Harris for the Biden administrations actions is absolutely fair game, but what Trump would do needs to be part of the equation. And we know by his words and actions that he would gladly see Palestine flattened so he could say he ended the conflict. And by just criticising Harris and being silent on Trump, all anyone will see it that she’s handled it badly(which is slightly unfair as it’s not her administration), and that he would probably be better.

    There is no perfect candidate for the Middle Eastern conflict right now, but there is a worse one, and that’s Trump imo. The best thing for anyone who cares about this is to vote for Harris and pile on the pressure to sanction Israel. The hope would be that once the US is out of its election cycle they’ll be in a better position to strongarm Netanyahu, which Trump definitely will not do, but Harris might.

    As an aside I think the comment about skipping over any democratic process after Biden stepped down is incorrect. It was an unprecedented situation that was handled within the rules for what should happen. They did not decide to rush her in regardless of the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It's a tricky one alright.

    They'd wanna be careful to turn off the radio in McDonalds lest he have himself another little sundown dance.

    But if they turn it off he'll probably end up saying something derogatory about McDonalds workers or getting confused about where he is. The oul dotard.

    But you're right. It'll be funny at least.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I am not so sure if that, the Republicans would have written Project 2025 whoever the candidate was - they have been moving in that direction for decades. They could only pick a candidate who represented that policy platform - and that would have made them an unpalatable goul.

    Trump is a symptom not the cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,558 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I sincerely doubt he's going to have a manager yelling at him for not getting the fries out quick enough, or for them being under/overcooked.

    It's an absolutely bizarre and pathetic attempt at a "gotcha" and is just performative nonsense. All meme, no substance.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    TBH I wouldn't have been too far off this exact position in 2016 and 2020 - Clinton and Biden were far from ideal candidates (especially when Sanders was such an encouraging alternative), but definitely 'they're not Trump' was a deciding factor there.

    But going into a third election cycle of that again now with massively changed circumstances - an ongoing humanitarian catastrophe - I find it hard to muster any enthusiasm at all here for the Dems. I'm a casual Irish observer of the election (a privileged position, honestly), and I feel burnt out and disillusioned. I can only imagine how large swathes of the US electorate feel.

    A large majority of Democrats and independents disapprove of Israeli action in Gaza, and that simply is not reflected on the November ballot. There's no reason to believe Harris will do anything to change the current situation. Trump saying he would gladly see Palestine flattened is horrifying, but Palestine is already being flattened with the clear approval of the Biden / Harris administration.

    I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree here. Again, lots of people will be happy to compromise. But if Trump wins - a grim possibility, no doubt - I for one am not going to 'blame' the liberal and left-leaning US voters who couldn't bring themselves to vote Harris given her unwavering support for a live-streamed genocide.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭randd1


    Whatever the religion, the devout faithful rarely abandon their God.

    Trump is the republican God now as Jesus isn't Christian enough for the hardcore evangelicals, so they won't abandon Trump. Even when he dies, they'll build their party around him. It might break into factions as to whose more true to his message, but they'll all agree he's the man to be worshipped, even more so after his ascent into deification upon his death.

    His spirit will live on within he Republican party, his mumbling rambling and hate-fuelled rhetoric the defining guide of the party. The sanitary pad on the ear will because the new cross, soiled adult diaper the new Turin Shroud, cheeseburgers and cola the new bread and wine, "They're eating the cats and dogs" the new Our Father, MAGA the new amen.

    His word is gospel.

    Never mind while he's alive, he'll be deciding things for the Republicans long after he's dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    it's all opportunity cost, really. The choice you make means the exclusion of the other choices and we'd just have been talking about what could have been with Walz if she'd gone for Shapiro and bemoaning that his selection would have signalled a heightened support for Israel and their actions against the ordinary Palestinian people that would then threaten to drive off the youth vote.

    And anyway, Shapiro can still help deliver Pennsylvania by stumping for Harris. He's still the governor of that state and presumably has some base of voters who will be influenced by his views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    "All meme, no substance" is effectively Trumps campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,635 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Maybe they died. I believe there was a bit of a virus going around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,558 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It's also unsurprising how easy he thinks manual lower-wage jobs actually are. I mean here he is doing a great job appealing for votes from auto-workers in South Carolina by talking about how their job is just assembling stuff from a box and how a child can do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Aye, it will be an entirely synthetic experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭randd1


    I'll give him one thing, it's a very funny cheap shot. It might be all he has, but it's funny all the same. I'm surprised he had the smarts to think of it.

    That being said, there's every chance he'll fcuk it up. I can see him trying to take chip out of the fryer with his hand, scalding himself. Or bending down and frying his tie (cue the headline "Trump cooks French Ties"). Or bending down to get a closer look and the oil bubbles and burns his cornea. Or the heat melts his fake tan.

    Or while mocking Harris for working in McDonalds, the compulsive liar in him kicks in and he starts going on about how he worked in McDonalds when he was younger and learned a lot from it having never done anything of the sort in his life (has he ever prepared a meal himself?), completely making the whole exercise pointless.

    There's just so many ways this could go wrong for him, and each would be funny.

    Or something tragic happens, and his obvious mental decline strikes and he has a senior moment, like a slip on the floor and can't get up, or starts abusing employees, or just comes across confused and lost as he has done a few times now.

    Or the slob in him starts eating the food while he's serving it to people.

    He'll need to be handled very carefully by his people, while pursuing the funny shot at Harris, this move has serious potential for total embarrassment for Trump.

    My money is him doing or saying something really stupid himself, he has too much form not to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yeah I found that funny, he complain they don't 'build' the cars here they 'take parts out of boxes and assemble it'

    Which… just feels like semantics? You unbox LEGO and build LEGO kits, eg.; they (Volvo iirc) are building cars in the US. And many of the parts they can source domestically, they sure will, because costs. Same with BMW, which has a massive footprint in the upstate here, the facility pumps out the brand's world supply of SUV models. So I'm not sure what the hell he's talking about, these companies not only build them here, they export them out too. Impressive facility as well, I was blessed to tour it about 6 years ago. There is plenty of domestically sourced parts that go into a BMW, eg. the plastic injection molded parts, I've met with the VP of one of the local companies that does that for them before. Nevermind all the nuts and bolts and automation that goes into the factory itself, it's a sprawling complex of robotics and conveyors etc.; tons of other local companies make their bread and butter out of supporting the operations of places like BMW

    TLDW: Yes, these foreign automakers build the ever-loving f*ck out of cars in the US. Trump has no idea what he is yammering about.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,728 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It really isn't.

    It's sad and pathetic and shows that he has nothing else to discuss.

    No policies , no plans - Nothing of value for anyone..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,330 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    do odds equal votes ? because trump was 11/1 in 2016



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Everyone understands the reasonable concerns re: Palestine and I'd say all but the most rabid of morally objectionable types would be agreement with the US cracking down on Israel and appalling things they are doing in the Middle East at present.

    The thing is, though, we don't actually know for certain what a Harris administration would do if and when they get into the White House with regards to the US's support of Israel. They may crackdown on what they're doing. They may curtail weapon shipments. They may use their political umph to reign Israel's neck in. All of which would be very welcome. They may just continue, business as usual.

    However, we do know exactly what a Trump administration would do concerning Israel if he gets into power in America again. Because he's already told us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,330 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,637 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    But if you stop, you'll not have any contributions to the thread. Surely you show up here to contribute, amiright?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,728 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - There's a chance that a Harris administration would be willing and open to putting some pressure on Israel and driving for a cease-fire and a negotiated settlement,

    There is no chance of that with a Trump administration.

    So the choice is voting for "some chance" or "no chance" on this issue.

    They aren't great choices for sure , but there's really only one option to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I fully expect him to arse-up any given task in a kitchen. I’d be very surprised if he manages this without looking even more like a clown. (Hey….perhaps he can fill in for Ronald McDonald?)

    I’m of the mind that he’ll either cancel last minute…for reasons…or will turn up and just talk to the cameras from the kitchen while doing sweet feck all. His team is good setting up stunts to make him look good, but he is *so much better* at fecking them up with his unending source of world-class fecklessness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Georgia is updating its early voting stats on an hourly basis now.

    North Carolina starts early voting tomorrow.

    There will be tons of data to dive into over the next few days. 😏



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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He might just cause a health crisis by crapping himself in the kitchen.



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