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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    SF want total control over the media and RTE by removing the license fee, which means then RTE would have no revenue stream apart from what a SF led government would give them

    They are also trying to control all media via court cases to shut them up while at the same time promising them remove VAT as someone else pointed out

    "used to be" has zero relevance by the wya



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    when you say “a practicising barrister and the party Chair (line manager)” do you mean one person who is a barrister and acting as the party chair and (line manager) or 2 different people?

    Two different people.

    And when you say, Party hierarchy and members kept out of the process, all members of the panel were members of the party and at least 2 were senior members, can you explain the discrepancy ie members kept out of the process.

    It's an 'internal' disciplinary process so I should have said - to keep it at arm's length as much as is possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Field east


    I genuinely cannot buy that Francie. BASIC logic would mean that MLMDwould need to know the broad thrust , AT LEAST, in case it might affect the party , etc, etc, etc. and she would be the one that would have to explain to the public in case there was an issue for the party . Aas they say ‘ forewarned is forearmed’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Not a particularly well coordinated response.

    Rathdowney-based Helen Campion said she could not comment on the matters at the centre of the controversy but became aware that a complaint had been made about the Laois Offaly TD in July.

    Mary Lou's been adamant the complaint was in August, not July. It's Stanley who is claiming the July date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, in this instance, one from the south and one from the north. And she also added that was a coincidence and that geography is not a factor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Look I am not her spokesperson but I was listening to her.
    She said that if the original complaint was one so grievous or could affect the party that she would have been informed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I would assume that his wife would stand by him regardless of whether he did anything wrong or not. Either that or she will separate from him. In one scenario she won't want to be the SF candidate, in the other one she will

    Removal of the licence fee means total control of the media these days? With misinformation on this level it's no wonder people are skeptical of SF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Wait for the legal case slapped on the media for asking hard questions, the old SF model never changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Another element of the process per Mary Lou McDonald was if there was the suggestion criminality that AGS would he immediately informed.

    This did not happen with Brian Stanley’s complaint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Stanley's allegation that an SF "clique" abused the disciplinary process to undermine him. I'm going out on a limb here, but I think the inference in the word "clique" is that this group of SF members excluded its president. Why else would he use a word like clique? If we are to believe MLMD, and she wasn't directly involved, it looks even worse for her in my view. A group within the party engineered his resignation without her involvement, and "omerta" requires her to just go along with it. It's like she's president of a party but not its leader. That begs the question: if you can't lead a party how can you lead a country?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF believe their panel and the barrister did their jobs correctly.
    I can take a guess at why you want names and I don't think it would be right to throw people who you believe did their jobs to a mob.
    That of course changes if Stanley, his solicitor and barrister prove it was indeed a 'kangaroo court'. If they can prove it they are on a sound legal footing to be compensated for that and SF will have to take the appropriate responsibility and action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,726 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    She’s an awful interviewer. Attack attack interrupt interrupt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭Field east


    re the SF senator sending illicit texts to two individuals. Two questions :-

    (1:) MLMD said that the party got legal advice re not mentioning that the senator was dismissed from the party because of his texts in case it further added to his mental condition. Could I , for example, have given that legal advice or does it have to come from a solicitor/barister? And if from a barrister. Is he/she a member of of SF and is he/she registered as a solicitor/barister?

    (2) I could be wrong but my understanding is that the senator was DISMISSED from the SF party on the basis of his texts And then he resigned from the party a few weeks after that. MLMD then issued her fulsome statement praising all his good works on the basis of his resignation from SF and the spin was that he Resigned for mental health reasons.
    why was it not the case that the senator absent himself from SF leader in the senate, take some ‘time out’ to get treatment - Luke Ming and Brian Crowley come to mind - and let him be still be a member of SF.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭StrawbsM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I said they want to, not that they will. Yes removal of the tv license will mean the government have more control over RTE than they currently have


    In terms of misinformation, do SF want to remove the tv license? Yes

    Have they offered the media reduced vat? Yes

    Have they used legal cases for years now to shut down the media? Yes


    If you want to claim misinformation, which part of my post is misinformation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There simply is no precedent for it. If a party wants to keep an internal report and those involved in compiling it, confidential, they can.

    Here is the probable reason why that information has not been asked for by any politician. Is this 'omerta' or normal behaviour?

    Leo Varadkar says report on investigation into Maria Bailey 'swing-gate' will not be published

    “In terms of publishing the report, it is not normal for a political party or even a media organisation or an employer to publish an internal report"

    However, Leo Varadkar yesterday said the report would not be published as some of those who participated in it did not want to be identified.

    *bolding mine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭micosoft


    Indeed SF want the Licence absolished so when they are in power they can have complete control of the state media Orban style. The license was meant to make sure RTE was at arms length to the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭harr


    Something up with SF in this part of the country that’s 2 TDs and a very popular county councillor who have left the party in the last year .. AIDAN MULLINS also left the party this year .. he like Patricia Ryan said he was being censored by the party .
    I imagine BS wife will also jump ship , depending on the allegations against BS i think he will do better as an independent.. he is well liked in Laois and will pull in votes from people who wouldn’t have voted SF in the past . I honestly don’t think leadership of SF have any idea what’s happening at grass roots level.. both Brian Stanley and Aidan Mullins would have been SF diehards long before SF became main stream in recent times..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So the information you provide might be factually accurate but the conclusions you are drawing from them are clearly wrong

    You claim the government will have more control over the media with the removal of the licence fee? How exactly did you come to this conclusion? As it currently stands the licence fee goes mainly towards RTE so it shouldn't affect the whole media landscape

    Are they saying they will reduce VAT on certain providers or all of the media? I presume it will be applicable to all providers which in turn would enable more investment by the newspapers, radio and TV media companies

    Can you elaborate a bit more on the legal cases? Who are they in the courts with and on what basis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The history of politics in the world is littered with examples of politicians, who want to put out a different message to what the main party is saying. coming to a parting of the ways.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    What's the current FG number of TDs not seeking re-election? I believe it is in the high 20s. Does this represent an problem 10 times the scale of the SF issue for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭harr


    indeed, but these 3 politicians would have worked very closely together at times . Mullins and Stanley in particular would have been be very popular with voters locally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    How many are standing as independents? - Zero

    How many got pushed out? - Zero

    If anything, its gives change yet still keeps with the strength of FG. Younger representatives with energy rather than representatives who go beyond retirement and no longer have the energy for what is a very high energy position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I think if you have a chat with a lot of them they will point towards the online abuse they get but more concerning is their families and friends

    Who is to blame for a lot of the online abuse? I think we all know the answer to that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    it’s all quietened down now.

    SF will do very well in the election,their support see’s the current news cycle as a side show.

    The next poll will see them rise back into the 20’s in percentage’s.

    Seat wise their numbers at the next election will rise not fall.

    The support will grow and grow for them during the campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,361 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Its quiet for now, but theres definitely still more to come which will spin it back up again, definitely once a decision is made on the gardai investigation. SF need this to be over this week but the Stanley nonsense absolutely has legs that could go for a while depending on how many different and conflicting tales have been spun by all involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Maybe the hardliners do, but the majority of the swing vote, which SF managed to get last time, will look at this and back away.

    Plus it hasn't quietened down now, it's all over the place even with the desperate attempts of SF online army to shut it down



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