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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,863 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Worst case scenario here is the mary lou can't really take the rap for this and resign because she's not the real leader and sin fein itself will implode due to its shady committee leaders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza


    I think Mary Lou dropped the extra info on what BS was accused of in order to almost goad him into talking about it

    If it was Lyn Boylan involved,BS may not want that known

    Interestingly Lyn Boylans husband was the only SF T.D that seemed to be absent during Mary Lou’s speech yesterday

    If BS is clever,he won’t rise to the bait,let the election be called next week and continue just issuing counter statements avoiding interviews?

    Seperately,it’s my opinion that SF have a problem with the impression being out there now of running alternative courts

    One might have the cover of saying they’re internal employment tribunal’s but SF with their history have to be careful there with this one

    It’s also out there now that much of the known so far story in all 3 incidents was being kept quiet and only publicised/admitted to when found out by the media

    This is all very very messy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭JVince


    They'd want to hurry up. Very loud whispers that next Thursday (25th) is the last day of the current Dail.

    Remember mlmd said just 2 weeks ago that there should be an election immediately. Wonder if she has changed her mind 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well as far as I can ascertain they have not lied about the process they have and how it operated in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    terrible on all of them by all accounts


    Was he trying the faux outrage gig he does about everything?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Seems to be ok for other political parties to keep their disciplinary processes secret.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Not what MLMD said the process was.


    https://twitter.com/virginmedianews/status/1845506331031076893?s=46&t=hy6wc4bLZMiyfotc20UniQ

    It should have gone on September 11th as per her statement here.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    They’re caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. The best way to diffuse much of this is MLMD resigning. That could draw a line under since if this and the story then becomes who will replace her as leader. A well publicised, dramatic hustings sad contest could shift a lot of focus off the current mess.

    She literally can’t go now though. We could be into an election cycle by the end of next week. You can’t fight an election without a party leader. They can’t really fight an election with the current leader. They are well and truly screwed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭mikep


    I just listened to the clip available on RTE and he sounded very deflated, none of his usual shouty bluster. Didn't come across well in my opinion and it still hasn't been explained why they think it is ok for them to get him out of SF but allow him to stay on as a Senator.

    If he had resigned in September for "personal reasons" would anyone have noticed or even cared??

    Most people would have had no idea who he was.



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    That won't happen. The party comes first. Everyone else is fair game. That isn't unique to SF. SF is a very tight-knit organisation. I think that is part of the problem down here. You can't scale SF as is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Changing leader like this is not unprecedented.

    Bob Hawke replaced Bill Hayden just as the Fraser government were going to the polls in Australia in 1983. He won in a landslide.

    Even Harris is a good recent example.

    The problem here though it isn’t just the leader, the whole thing is rotten and all of these people have something on one another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They didn't/don't know if it is criminal, they have referred it to the Gardai to decide. She has said that several times.
    If it was an 'obvious' criminal offence they would refer it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,361 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Firstly the kangaroo court statement was part of his resignation letter which was made prior to SF handing the case to the Gardai, so that point is nonsense.

    Secondly you might notice from his statement yesterday, which was quite obviously heavily edited by a legal professional, is he talking about the case in question or its details? No, and if that's what you want him to talk about and ive made it pretty clear why he likely wont.

    Ill try explain once more though why hes not saying anything about the case though and apologies to everyone else for the caps as it seems you are incapable of reading…. BECAUSE ITS BASIC LEGAL STRATEGY TO NOT COMMENT PUBLICLY ON SOMETHING YOU'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF WHILE IT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE GARDAI.

    If the gardai ultimately deem it not worthy of investigation and he still refuses to discuss the details of the complaint then yes maybe you are right but until then you are just behaving in wild speculation based on absolutely nothing.

    I laugh at you painting me as a FFG supporter too, my posting history will probably show while i have voted for FG and never for FF I still have many problems with both parties and have criticised them many many times but typically from SF and the Irish left in general its always a with us or against us attitude. Unlike you I hold no cultish level of loyalty to any specific party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    More than enough candidates outside of FF, FG and SF to form an alternative government.

    It is quickly becoming apparent that hitching your wagon to FF Nua is not the best way to make “change”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    They said that Brian Stanley should report it to AGS.

    The end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     from his statement yesterday, which was quite obviously heavily edited by a legal professional, 

    Not a very competent 'legal professional' in the sense that it's main point is factually wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Red and Francie are behaving in a classic attack the whistleblower manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    …if he thought and he clearly did, it was a criminal offence, he should report it. He hasn't done that and the legitimate question arising there is, might it be that it isn't criminal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    The attacks on Stanley by his former colleagues who supposedly don’t have the facts themselves reminds me of the Fair Gaming tactics you see in Scientology.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_game_(Scientology)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Mary Lou appears to be the link that ties the old firm and the new firm together. It’s going to be very interesting to see what happens when her time to stand down eventually comes.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Tgey’ll struggle to attract any real political talent new blood before of this. If you are a young, up and coming person with some political ambitions, SF would be off your list after this. To a point at the moment we’re getting to see how the sausage is made in SF and it all looks very cliquish, dictatorial and generally toxic. It’s not the sort of excrement that attracts the best people.

    For a group who are all about the party they also seem to be intent on dragging everyone available into this. I did think EOB and PD would be kept away from this to keep them untainted to a point but at this rate I’d say the office cleaner will be on The Week In Politics by the weekend. It’s quite strange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    Harris is starting to slip, a lot.

    But I get your point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Perhaps because he was in the middle of a process that he felt threatened by.

    Stop deflecting anyway, her words were clear. If there was the suggestion of criminality then they would report it- only that appears to be the standard for the allegation on Stanley and not Stanley’s one.

    Instead they sat on it (including from her) from Sept 11 to Oct 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Presume the term "FF nua" is a reference to how Bertie, Willie and other FF politicians were trying the "man of the people" look back in the 90s?

    The big difference between "old FF," to use a similar term, and SF is that if SF get into power and don't deliver on their promises the electorate will not put them into power again. This means should SF come to power after the next GE they must deliver on their promises.

    FFG will always have a core support base who will vote for them regardless of how many 16 year olds die of curable conditions while in the care of the HSE. SF do not have that same luxury



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Assuming he is a whistleblower… There have been no whistles blown yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭Genghis


    In politics, everything is local

    Interesting local long read for you here.

    I suspect the entire article was SF centrally co-ordinated, everybody is unnaturally similar in what they say.

    Certainly a prima facia reading is that locally SF in Laois are isolating Brisan Stanley(and his wife) and standing full footed and firm behind the party.

    I would think the complainant is possibly local to Laois, many seem to be fairly familiar with the entire saga (certainly more than national SF appear to be). Seems there may have been an element of heave against him.

    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/general-election/1629708/no-disarray-laois-sinn-fein-laois-members-stand-by-party-rejecting-brian-stanley-s-kangaroo-court.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,779 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am looking at all that has been said, not just one snippet of one interview.

    They have said they sent the file to the Gardai and it is up to the Gardai to decide if there is a criminal aspect/charge to be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,481 ✭✭✭pureza




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm not so sure

    Under the 18-25 day rule. If the Dáil is dissolved on the 25th, the election would need to be between the 12th and 19th of November, probably the 15th as we have a preference for Fridays

    The most recent SF issues by then will be a thing of the past but the hospital trolley crisis will have just started as well.



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