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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • #6662
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724545#Comment_122724545

    Well, they're not the leader of the free world. They sit at the table.

    If they were to be leader of the free world, we all would have a vote. They're campaigning for what's important to their constituents in their country. A war happening thousands of miles away doesn't matter to most Americans because they're going through hard times themselves.

    Regardless, one of the campaigns calls for a ceasefire when asked about the genocide happening, the other wants one of the sides to hurry it up and get it over with.



  • #6663
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724565#Comment_122724565

    Specifically one side wants them to "hurry up and get it over with" so they can cash in on some prime Ocean-front property…



  • #6664
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Republicans are already taking 100s of cases to state legislators to have illegal voters removed from the rolls. They are taking them in the quiet window with no intention or expectations of winning any of them. They know that all will be rejected by judges without consideration.

    Why?

    These are all groundwork for the post election stolen election wave that is coming. Hundreds of cases will be resurrected (and fail) and the troops will think that election fraud was rife.

    It's coming no matter what the result.



  • #6665
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724565#Comment_122724565

    You do know she is currently The Vice President right , She hasn't done enough ,

    Both of them should be ashamed



  • #6666
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    "While Trump has claimed the use of tariffs would lower costs, economists have repeatedly said it would cause companies to pass higher costs onto consumers and could worsen inflation. And experts have disputed Trump’s claim that tariffs would bring in enough for the U.S. government to offset the deficit."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4934505-trump-defends-tariffs-chicago/

    Aside from what he says personally and has done in business, the fact that people can think trump is good for the economy when he's constantly corrected about his financial policies by established economists is beyond me



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  • #6667
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724600#Comment_122724600

    No US president is ever not going to unequivocally back Israel. That's just the geopolitical reality.



  • #6668
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724600#Comment_122724600

    Sure. But what was Trump's stance again?

    What was Trump's solution to ending the war in Ukraine?

    It's not rational to pretend both are equally as bad. One is much worse than the other.



  • #6669
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Georgia voting stats are here.

    Interesting facts:

    • gender turnout so far is 56-44 in favour of women
    • turnout in the Atlanta area is already 11%
    • 18-24 year olds only 3% of the votes so far


  • #6670
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724600#Comment_122724600

    Yes. VICE President. Not actually president. Her job right now is to be ready to catch the ball should the President need it caught. Her job, right now as VICE President, is not to run with ball, or create policy or anything else. Just sit there, wait, respond when invited to speak. Same as any other VP. No VP has used their initiative contrary to their Presidents position. None.

    Whereas the other candidate fanned the flames while he was ACTUALLY President by doing stupid things like ripping up nuclear agreements and moving embassies.

    VP and President are very different jobs, with a vastly different responsibility.



  • #6671
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724801#Comment_122724801

    They are allowing a genocide to happen while shes VP ,

    No matter what way its dressed up history & generations in the future will not look back kindly on this ,



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  • #6672
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724697#Comment_122724697

    People are nuts , She is currently Vice President while a genocide is taking place & your reply is but what would Trump do in Ukraine honestly you can't make this stuff up , Maga is certainly not the only cult when it comes to America politics,



  • #6673
    Virgil°
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724852#Comment_122724852

    Actually the first part of the reply which you conveniently ignored was "What is Trumps proposed solution to the Israel/Gaza calamity?".

    It just doesn't make sense to choose your candidate based on this issue. You can criticize the current Administration based on their position. And that's fine. But Trump, by his own words, will be worse. Would you level the same complaints against him?



  • #6674
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,426 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724852#Comment_122724852

    You were specifically asked: "what was Trump's stance again?"
    Is there a reason you can't answer that question but instead only replied to the piece about Ukraine?

    It is a thread to discuss a two horse race between Democrat Harris and Republican Trump.

    Which party and candidate do you think is more likely to bring an end to the conflict with Israel-Palestine if elected and why?

    Why won't you answer the question?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #6675
    cunnifferous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    As much as I don't like it, it seems the polls and models are creeping towards a Trump victory. I've resigned myself to another 4 years of listening to this guy.

    The only hope is that his presidency crashes and burns in the first two years and that he spends the last two as lame duck with Dem controlled House and Senate



  • #6676
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724852#Comment_122724852

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that the US response to the situation in Gaza/Lebanon is remotely acceptable.

    The point being made is that neither side would do a whole lot different at the macro level - ALL US Governments are going to support Israel no matter what.

    That's awful , but it's a fact.

    Choosing one side or the other (or indeed a 3rd option) will have absolutely ZERO impact on that position.

    Again , awful but a fact.

    Having said all that , there is nuance to the awfulness in that Biden and Harris have and will continue to make efforts to moderate the Israeli response and try to work toward a cease-fire , albeit with limited success.

    A Trump administration would attempt no such moderation and would actively encourage and assist Netanyahu in his efforts to completely eradicate Arabs from the region.

    Trump would also throw Ukraine to the wolves leading to further unrest in Europe and a strengthened Putin sabre rattling in places like Moldova , Latvia , Lithuania and Estonia.



  • #6677
    cunnifferous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724879#Comment_122724879

    I heard a Vox Pop in an Arab majority town in Michigan and they were all talking about either not voting or voting for Trump. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! They don't like the foreign policy of Biden/Harris, wait until they get a taste of the domestic policy of Trump



  • #6678
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724898#Comment_122724898

    That was the case a while back but in recent weeks a significant number of the leaders of the Muslim/Democrat groups in the mid-west have come out and made that pragmatic point.

    "We're not happy with Biden/Harris and their handling of this , but Trump would be much worse so a vote for Harris is the better/only choice"



  • #6679
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724133#Comment_122724133

    that actually happened a few days ago on thread…



  • #6680
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724879#Comment_122724879

    It really isn't much of an issue in the US election either.

    That is not to downplay it, just to point out the realpolitik.



  • #6681
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724834#Comment_122724834

    Ultimately that's on Biden, Harris if elected can change policy and hope she does on Israel and Ukraine.



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  • #6682
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724965#Comment_122724965

    Remember she would have to get any major aid packages through Congress…



  • #6683
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724868#Comment_122724868

    You must have missed my post ,I never singled out a candidate but I was well aware when i posted it one the CULT followers would make a "what about Trump post" , Its the go to response to anything that may be seen as some sort of criticisms directed toward Kamala ,

    "neither candidate is campaigning to stop a Holocaust currently in motion ,

    The human race is a joke "



  • #6684
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,426 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724981#Comment_122724981

    I didn't miss the point, you don't have one, and your posts just demonstrate basic ignorance of US politics. A rant is not a "point".

    So spare us nonsense about a cult when you can't answer a simple question relevant to the current thread and the issue you claim to be concerned about.
    It is a thread to discuss a two horse race between Harris and Trump - so what kind of answer were you looking for?

    This was the question you were asked before, and didn't even attempt to engage with.
    If you don't answer the question again, it will be obvious this is just a bad faith argument.

    I would further add do you think someone who campaigned publicly on a platform more critical of Israel would be electable? And if you don't answer that question, it will implicitly address whatever question you were asking.

    You were specifically asked: "what was Trump's stance again?"
    Is there a reason you can't answer that question but instead only replied to the piece about Ukraine?

    It is a thread to discuss a two horse race between Democrat Harris and Republican Trump.

    Which party and candidate do you think is more likely to bring an end to the conflict with Israel-Palestine if elected and why?

    Why won't you answer the question?

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #6685
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724968#Comment_122724968

    that wont be easy, but maybe with the spectre of Trump vanquished things might be different…



  • #6686
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725027#Comment_122725027

    An Israeli aid package - contingent on stopping the war - would be a far easier sell politically than a Ukrainian one.



  • #6687
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724565#Comment_122724565

    You think the USA sits as equals with everyone else around the table, really? You're very naieve.



  • #6688
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724852#Comment_122724852

    Nope. My point was to ask you what his response to the genocide in Gaza was. And I also asked you what he plan for Ukraine was.

    In your rush to not answer these questions you've completely misrepresented my post and seem to have been upset by the misrepresentation you've invented.



  • #6689
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122724994#Comment_122724994

    Trumps stance has nothing to do with my statement , i never once said or alluded that he would do a better job ?

    See this is where the CULT is anything remotely critical of Harris you jump to "trump this Trump that " both can be in the wrong wrong ,

    I don't think either are likely to bring an end hence the original statement,

    Never again is happing now because of the landscape of politics in the US, which in turn shows how we have failed as humans to be in such a position , You are correct neither would run a campaign being critical of Israel again hence the original statement



  • #6690
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725072#Comment_122725072

    But again you haven't actually answered the question you've been asked a bunch of times now.

    That's Very strange, especially when you are leaping to all sorts of accusations.



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  • #6691
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122725057#Comment_122725057

    Lol.

    I also think Britain no longer rules the waves either.

    Times change, the US is no longer sitting on top of the table dictating world policy as they once did.

    If they did, do you think they'd honestly have the balls to laugh at Trump during his speech at the UN?

    Theyre very much still a superpower, but so is the EU, China, Russia and very shortly they'll be joined by India, if they're not already there.



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