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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    So just getting back to the basics of this thread. Men in mens sports & women in women's sports, (same for the changing rooms), sorted, respect 👌

    You can leave all the gender identity stuff outside the door of the velodrome, the basketball arena, pool hall, boxing ring, athletics track, swimming pool or football pitch, because ones chosen gender identity has nothing to do with human biology, ot physiology, which is where sport is at.

    Think lung capacity, muscle fibres, triceps, biceps, quads, Q-Angle, bone density, bloods, heart size, rib cage, power & speed too ….

    Men & women are different.

    Love Riley Gaines ❤



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So you are big fan of womens 8 ball? 🙄

    TBH unlike yourself, I am not obsessed by gender, particularly yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    You seem to be advocating that the most effective way to support female sports is to pay to spectate at female sports events. Is that correct?

    Or do you accept that there are more ways than paying to spectate at a female sports event to support female sports then? Do you accept that many of those ways of supporting female sports are likely to be far more effective than merely paying to passively spectate at sports event?

    And the final push here… does it cross your mind at all that someone who actively advocates for female sports, whether in real life, online, or both, is perhaps doing more than someone who literally passively spectates from the sidelines.

    And what about someone like me who has not paid to spectate at any sports event in decades, because the sports I'm most involved with do not charge people to spectate? Am I now disbarred from advocating for female sports on the internet because I have not paid to spectate at a female sports event?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    There is still a big disparity between men and women even in the likes of darts and pool/snooker. A lot of this I'd say is simply due to access and 'lads culture'. lots of guys grow up going to pool halls or playing darts. girls, not so much. It can be an intimidating environment for girls which probably puts a lot of people off even trying. There is also definitely some advantage going on with height and arm span etc. This is why women throw darts from a shorter distance for example. I used to be involved in darts leagues in London years ago and there is a massive difference between the men's and women's games. The best female players would be easily beaten by a mediocre man. Even world masters winner Deta Hedman struggled to compete with the best male pub league players.

    So getting rid of the female categories, even in what you deem to be non athletic sports, would still result in men dominating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Very few people care about women's 8 ball pool apart from those who compete in it.

    Still doesn't mean they're not entitled to fair play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Can you tell us how much you're supporting womens' sports, and explain how the nature of your support for women's sport is so much more effective than mine that you think you can tell me that I'm only pretending to care, and wouldn't tilt my head sideways to watch any?

    Or are you just a complete hypocrite who doesn't actually support womens sports, but would like to shut down an opinion you disagree with and seem incapable of engaging directly with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     how the nature of your support for women's sport is so much more effective than mine 

    You are Tilting at Windmills, I didn't mention you nor did I pass any comment on what or how you support anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There is still a big disparity between men and women even in the likes of darts and pool/snooker. A lot of this I'd say is simply due to access and 'lads culture'. lots of guys grow up going to pool halls or playing darts. girls, not so much. It can be an intimidating environment for girls which probably puts a lot of people off even trying.

    I suppose you are right, imagine being Trans and having to go into that environment though?

     I used to be involved in darts leagues in London years ago and there is a massive difference between the men's and women's games. The best female players would be easily beaten by a mediocre man

    Not the case anymore.

    So getting rid of the female categories, even in what you deem to be non athletic sports, would still result in men dominating.

    I don't think it's actually me that defines what type of sport they are, but I never suggested of getting rid of any categories.

    But in 8 ball and darts women and men play each right up to world championship level.

    Would you be advocating that should not be allowed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    The post that you were replying to said this :

    LOL I can't play in all the sports that exist! Nor even go to see them all. TBH I've never been a big fan of watching sports, though I do still practice some, but not as many nor as intensively as when I was younger. I still think access to sports is really important for the next generation though, including my own children, and now even grandchildren - well ok only one so far.

    But worth fighting for IMO, and discussion about the issues on internet is as useful as anything else IMO. Raises awareness.

    So now, because I agree with her points, I'm going to make as close to exactly the same points she did :

    LOL I can't play in all the sports that exist! Nor even go to see them all. TBH I've never been as big fan of watching sports as partcipating in them, but I do still practice some, but not as many nor as intensively as when I was younger. I still think access to sports is really important for the next generation though (even though I have no kids of my own).

    But worth fighting for IMO, and discussion about the issues on internet is as useful as anything else IMO. Raises awareness.

    So I'm going to ask you again, given I'm making EXACTLY the same points that you responded to:

    Can you tell us how much you're supporting womens' sports, and explain how the nature of your support for women's sport is so much more effective than mine that you think you can tell me that I'm only pretending to care, and wouldn't tilt my head sideways to watch any?

    Or are you just a complete hypocrite who doesn't actually support womens sports, but would like to shut down an opinion you disagree with and seem incapable of engaging directly with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    What those of us who advocate for fairness in sports are advocating for in this case is that where a female sex category exists only female sex athletes should be allowed to participate in that category. Anyone who is not female sex should not be allowed to participate in that category. Is that clear enough for you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,997 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    No, it was me you replied to with that, after first wrongly assuming I was male and therefore (apparently, IYO) unfitted to have an opinion about female sports - although it seems that you feel that you, also male, are perfectly fitted - in your own mind - to hold an opinion on the same. Presumably because you think you hold the "right" opinion.

    So perhaps you'd care to explain to me then why you think your opinions about women's sport in general, or even Women's pool in particular, are more valid than mine? What do you do IRL to promote women's sport - and what do I do?

    Would you agree that a woman who practises any female sport and has daughters who practise different sports at various levels, is probably entitled to have a definite opinion on how female categories in general should be organised?

    And TBC, my opinion is that if female categories exist, they shoudl be limited to females. If there's no need for single sex categories in a sport, then that's fine too - but rules need to be explicit. A pretence of having single sex categories while not really having them in practice is the worst of both worlds.

    If you can explain why that is wrong, I'm all ears.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So perhaps you'd care to explain to me then why you think your opinions about women's sport in general, or even Women's pool in particular, are more valid than mine?

    I never suggested my opinion was more valid than yours.

    But I don't spend a large portion of my time pearl clutching about sports I have absolutely no interest in or will ever watch, unlike your good self.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    So you can't care about this issue if you don't follow the sport concerned ?

    I've thankfully never been the victim of a sexual assault but I fear for female rape victims having to share a space with males.

    I'm a tomboy and don't attend for "intimate waxing" etc - but i do not want women to have to share such an exposed space with males.

    I'm a straight woman and have no children but if young girls are discovering that they are gay, I fear for them being pushed into a physical change based in homophobia and taking them from a lesbian to a straight boy and I certainly fear for young lesbians meeting potential partners online, being matched with fully intact biological males who are well versed in "persuading" these girls to have sex with them - those with a strong stomach can Google "the cotton ceiling". Very Weinsteinesque.

    And to get back on topic, my days of active participation in sport are long long gone - but to see girls from a disadvantaged background who may have a sports scholarship as their only way to get to college and then see their chances taken by a male with the physiological advantages that their sex gives them - this is abhorrent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    But you do spend your time being holier than thou and moralising in this thread by trying to shut down opinions you disagree with and accusing posters of "White knighting". The irony of you trying to tell other posters that they shouldn't be actively advocating by posting here but should be sitting on their arse spectating at sports instead. Your posts appear to be full of hypocrisy.

    And now you can't even respond to posts questioning your "holier than thou"ing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The irony of you trying to tell other posters that they shouldn't be actively advocating by posting here

    You think the people who run 8 ball tournaments are reading your posts?

    I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,368 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Any update on Imane Khelif case against all the elite on Twitter X?

    Were they to be stripped of their Olympic gold or that just a rumour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    It would be the only fair solution so I doubt it will happen sadly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    You know there's not much point coming onto a discussion forum on a discussion website trying to cancel people from discussing the subject matter of the discussion thread? And you're still unable to respond to the multiple questions that you have been asked. Do you think that everyone else doesn't notice that you have no answers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yeah, I am not trying to cancel anyone.

    Utterly bizarre thing again to accuse me of.

    We will leave it there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Do you realise that we can see what you've posted before? This is the absolute bovine manure which you posted :

    If you want to support women's sports though best go to an event and pay to watch it, instead of white knighting on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The best way to support sport is to get involved and not rant and rave on the internet about sports you have no interest in.

    I'd imagine most reasonable people would think that is a perfectly acceptable statement.

    For the life of me I can't see how you got I'm trying to cancel people from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Can you tell us how much you're supporting womens' sports when you're not ranting and raving in this thread on the internet, and explain how the nature of your support for women's sport is so much more effective than mine? And also explain how I have no interest in womens' sports, but you have enough that you feel you are "allowed" by your own standards to rant and rave in this thread?

    Can you explain how you feel you can post in this thread rather than spend the time getting involved with sports? I'd imagine most people would think that's a prefectly acceptable question to ask of you when you're telling people that they should be doing something other than posting in this thread.

    Or are you just a complete hypocrite who doesn't actually support womens sports, but would like to shut down an opinion you disagree with and seem incapable of engaging directly with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    And also explain how I have no interest in womens' sports

    I have no idea who you are, how can I explain that?

    That is something you will have to explain, obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    So can you tell me what you know about the poster who you told :

    If you want to support women's sports though best go to an event and pay to watch it, instead of white knighting on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Since you are ranting and raving on this thread can you please answer the question as to what involvement you have in sports, just so we can see that this isn't "white knighting" on the internet?

    I'd imagine most people would think that's a perfectly acceptable request of you, given your statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I don't know anything about the poster they didn't volunteer.

     TBH I've never been a big fan of watching sports

    You will have to take it up with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I have an extensive involvement in various sports, none of which I am willing to discuss with you, for several reasons one being it isn't relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭Enduro


    So why do you think it's irrelevant for you when you hypocritically assert that other people need to show an interest before they can post in this thread?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,565 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    To be honest this is gone past tiresome, you keep making things up and attributing them to me, it's the definition of bad faith posting.

    I'm done with you.



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