Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

The article you cited contradicted the anti vax falsehoods you were trying to pedde about them.

All I did was cite direct quotes from the articles you linked... quotes from scientific experts who have looked at the scientific evidence.

It would be amazing if the billions of unvaxxed weren't dying.

But they are.

They're dying from old age, cancer, heart attacks, strokes, lack of oxygen to the brain, cerebral haemorrhages, car crashes, suicides, murders, sepsis, influenza, neonatal and maternal deaths, pneumonia, diarrheal diseases, tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS, and malaria.

Just like the vaccinated.

I have bad heart failure and take the vaccine every chance I get, no problem.

Maybe it did.

To repeat again medical treatment isn't 100% infallible. Out of 2 million jabs in e.g. Australia two were associated with potential deaths. Death from vaccines can happen but it's extremely rare. The risk of dying from Covid unvaccinated (proportionally adjusted) is more common, it's higher. Since pretty much everyone is going to catch Covid at some stage, it's a no-brainer.

Pretty simple but in my long experience people who are anti-vaccine do not understand or do not want to understand this. I've seen it explained dozens and dozens of times on this forum alone.

So I'll use the seatbelt analogy. Deaths as a result of a seatbelt can happen but it's rare. The risk of dying in an accident unbelted is much higher. For anyone who drives, it's a no-brainer

Note your reaction:

The vaccines saved millons of lives - You don't care

A higher proportion of unvaccinated people died as a result of Covid - You don't care

One person potentially died as a result of the vaccine - You "suddenly" care

You either have no grasp of risk or your viewpoint is irrational. Or you are going to turn into a pedant where you acknowledge it but you start waffling on about the lowest ages risk category where numbers get tighter (I've seen anti-vaxxers drift in there as a final refuge of pedantry)

It's incredible this basic stuff has to be explained, but here we are.

You are making an awful fool of yourself with your posts.

Still no acknowledgement from you that the vaccine in question was a adenovirus vector vaccine, ( vaccines that have been around since the early 1970s), and not a mRNA vaccine that you and a few others have been basing their anti vaccine hyperbole on.

Not that it matters as it shows for anybody that may have been in any doubt that your whole spiel is nothing more than anti vaccine rhetoric with nothing to back it up other than innuendo and guesswork. Both of which you are now attempting to do with your guesswork in relation to the conclusions of Dr Margot Bolster, the Assistant State Pathologist, with the innuendo that she was giving the manufacturer an out clause.

If you are so troubled by deaths of the elderly and infirmed during the Covid pandemic you should take a look at your own Shangri La Sweden.

Sweden`s National Board of Health and Welfare advised doctors overseeing nursing-homes to keep their distance from residents. This resulted in many residents, (not all of them due to Covid-19 infection), not even being examined by a doctor being put on a pallitive care coctail of morphine and midazolam, both respiratory inhibitors, and denied oxygen by phone by doctors. Effectively a euthanasia death sentence.

You could also look at Tegnell proposing to re-open nursing homes to visitors and telling the vulnerable it was safe to mingle in general society again in September 2020 while Sweden was experiencing it`s second wave. Thankfully for the elderly and vulnerable the regional authorities having regained control over their health care had enough of his herd immunity nonsense and forced the government to back them and have him and his theories and proposals sidelined.

I have seen quite a few anti lockdown posts, but that has got to be the strangest so far, that we should have left the country wide open to the spread of Covid for the sake of restaurants.

As has been said to you already, in Ireland we provided state support to the effected hospitality sectors. Something Sweden failed to do, where by 2022 25% of jobs in their hospitality sector were lost.

I do not recall hearing of anyone here dying from hunger since the lifting of lockdown due to them not being able to find a restaurant to eat in, have you ?

Are you seriously saying that you believe we should have let COVID-19 run rampant just to keep restaurants open ?

BTW, I didn`t say, as you very well know, that I don`t recall them being closed during lockdown. I said I don`t recall anyone dying from hunger or thirst when lockdown was lifted due to a shortage of restaurants. Do you ?

This is from a speech by President Biden, where he uses the phrase 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' - it doesn't appear to tally with that description. Note how Biden emphasises the strain unvaccinated people place on medical facilities:

While the vaccines provide strong protections for the vaccinated, we read about, we hear about, and we see the stories of hospitalized people, people on their death beds, among the unvaccinated over these past few weeks… This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated… The unvaccinated overcrowd our hospitals, are overrunning the emergency rooms and intensive care units… As the science makes clear, if you’re fully vaccinated, you’re highly protected from severe illness, even if you get COVID-19.  

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/09/remarks-by-president-biden-on-fighting-the-covid-19-pandemic-3/

But, given that you (approvingly?) quoted that letter to The Lancet… do you agree with this piece of it:

People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic.

It is interesting that there is a control group of unvaccinated persons. If there was mandatory/forced vaccination the reduction in severe illness/death would be attributed to the vaccine.

You are a Covid Vaccine dedicated Zealot. There is very little point in presenting alternative points to you. You and others love to push the 'criticise the vaccine' = antivaxxer. Still like to drop in here occasionally to see the fervour if if someone replies to the original post.

There are a few dedicated anti vaccine zealots here who either cannot understand the data on how effectivene the vaccines were on reducing hospital and I.C.U. admissions as well as deaths for those that availed of them. Either that or they have just chosen to ignore the data and instead are using innuendo, guesswork and misquoting articles and data still attempting to sell their snake oil on vaccines and boosters.

For those that may guniunely have a problem with the statistical data, on the basis that a picture is worth a thousand words, this might help.

For the rest, zealots will do what zealots do no matter what the evidence to the contrary

Presenting alternative viewpoints?

In several recent posts on this thread, all I have done is cite quotes from articles you linked here.
Somehow you found these articles, yet do not accept their clear evidence and statements showing the benefits of vaccination - when these are pointed out to you, you don't accept them or feign ignorance \ do not engage with those points.

Standard anti vax tactics.

So you're not even open to alternative points in articles you cited.

So spare us any nonsense about those who demolish and discredits your baseless claims as being a covid zealot.

I wouldn't have a lot of sympathy for them, how dare they risk clogging up our ICUs