Anyone else feel ashamed of getting the Covid shots?

Booked for both on Tuesday. I`ve never had a problem with the original vaccine shots or the boosters other than a slight soreness on the booster side that has never lasted for more than a day.

Thats all debatable. Sweden got on with their lives and economy while everyone else was in lockdown. Immunity being built as time progressed without any breakdown in society. We locked down waiting on a vaccine to give immunity and prevent transmission. The wishy washy vaccine that emerged at huge cost neither gave immunity or prevented transmission for numerous reasons. Omicron saved the day for both Sweden and the other countries. Debatable whether the vaccine had a huge effect either way. On a side note there is probably a billion people worldwide that have had no Covid vaccination and contrary to opinion these people are not clogging up ER's or dying on the streets in countries because the current strains of Covid are mild to the vast majority. Vaxxed or not.

Sweden didn't even really "get on with their lives" as normal. They switched to working from home. There was a huge drop in spending and visits on hospitality. There was a huge drop in regional travel, tourism, visits to holiday homes etc
Their economy took a major hit.
They did not build immunity any better than countries which did lock down, you have absolutely zero foundation for that claim and it has been refuted on the thread already with evidence.

It wasn't a "wishy washy vaccine", it played a massive role in allow society to open up in summer 2021, in reducing ICU and hospitals, and in weathering the Omicron surge.
Omicron would not have "saved us" without the vaccine, it would have flooded the hospitals as it did in places like Hong Kong which had large numbers of unvaccinated older people.

It is only debateable whether the vacicne had a huge effect if ignore all the actual evidence, evidence presented multiple times on the thread and engage in semantic games.

Your posts are coming from a fact free universe.

No it doesn't

I usually try to be polite and explain myself, but after four years of fools ignoring the facts I am done with hand-holding idiots. Your response is wrong, you must be stupid in the extreme to still think that the Covid vaccines are not beneficial in preventing disease. I'm not bothering to provide the myriad of links to prove the fact, you're too far gone to believe anything other that the misinformation you have been fed and now spout yourself.

me too. Only reason I did (sept 21) was to escape the dystopian weird Ireland that had emerged 16 months prior. Multi-trip of Czech Republic , Stockholm & Poland for a 4 week binge of normality was a godsend at the time.

But …… then I returned to fudie dudie false equivocation crazy town Ireland at the beginning of Oct ‘21, such a crash back to “normal”.

irrelevant. At the time rte were living it up with the fear factory about foreign travel and dangers of it at the time. On my month travel I went for a long weekend Spain too. As far as I remember it was only Spain that “checked my papers” (a la soviet communist bloc style …… and they were loving it too) ,No papers check in either of the other countries I relished my escape to.

btw …. Referring to Swedens supposed lockdown. I have a cousin who lives/lived there during COVID period (Stockholm based). He reports ZERO lockdown was experienced during this fiasco of a time. I was in constant contact with telling him about what our off the wall government were doing (school closures , outdoor sports shut , ridiculous mask mandates etc) , he was in awe of disbelief.

I promised him if these idiots ever stoke up frenzy on so called pandemic with 0.01% fatality rate ever again I’ll paddle a dingy to Sweden to escape Ireland (and the other leftie loony land countries too)

Seeing as you you either do not know, or just choose not to answer my question, I`ll help you out. In September 2021 after you were vaccinated and went travelling to The Czech Republic, Poland, Sweden and Spain, all four countries by law required you to be the holder of a Covid-19 vaccination certificate. There was no compulsion on you to be the holder of one in Ireland then or any time since. It was required for you to be allowed enter those countries.

Did your cousin self isolate and cut himself/herself off from all that was happening in Sweden during Covid ?

From March 2020 no more than 50 people were allowed for public gatherings, theater, cinema, concerts, lectures, religious meetings, amusement parks and sporting events. In November 2020 the numbers allowed were cut from 50 to 8.

In April 2020 bars and restaurants were ordered to provide table service only with the distance between tables to be increased and in November 2020 sales of alcohol after 10 p.m. were banned with that deadline increased to 8 p.m.

Only Sweden`s lower schools remained open during the epidemic. Their higher level schools all switched to distant learning at various times due to increases in the numbers becoming infected and dying. In March 2020 Tegnell was told by his Finnish counterpart that Finland`s research suggested that closing lower schools would reduce the spread of Covid-19 to the elderly by around 10%. Tegnell`s reply was that to gain acquired herd immunity through infection "it might be worth it" and left them open. By May 2020 Sweden`s own seroprevalance tests results showed that his and Giesecke`s theory of reaching acquired herd immunity through infection was a myth.

"Oh I'm just an objective person who casually reads Norwegian science, totally wasn't from my anti-vax feed, none of whom happened to read beyond the headline either"

My God Dohnjoe thats exactly what happened. Im very pro vax so you are correct there i dont have an anti vax feed. And i have read the article. I understand there is other very learned pro Covid Vax persons who do not like the findings. It is not in their interest to concur with the findings. Especially if they pushed or recommended the new shots at the time which would undermine their status or positions. It really is a losers game to find fault with the mRna shots as so many reputations money and careers are at stake. The vast majority have taken it so will not admit they were wrong even if they now have doubts or misgivings. That young healthy lad who lost his life to the Covid vaccine is a prime example. A life needlessly lost but some will put it down here as collateral damage to save the 'millions'. Meanwhile we have maybe a billion people unvaccinated in the world that are not dying or clogging up A and E's. Why is that?

Long vax

It already has a name: Post-Vaccination Syndrome, also known as long vax.

In a news article in the journal Science from the summer of 2023, it states that a connection between long Covid-like illness and Covid-19 vaccines is beginning to gain recognition among researchers and doctors. The condition appears to be very rare, and the symptoms include persistent headaches, severe fatigue, abnormal heart rate, and blood pressure.

“You see one or two patients and you wonder if it's a coincidence,” says Anne Louise Oaklander, a neurologist and researcher at Harvard Medical School. “But by the time you've seen 10, 20... Where there's smoke, there's fire.”

All these very rare side effects sre mounting up as time progresses.

Any comment on the billion or so unvaxxed worldwide that are not dying of anything despite transmission of Covid not being halted by the vaccines. Even in the fully vaxxed?

Facts really are an unknown universe to you and you just make up whatever suits your narrative.

I presume the young lad you are referring to is Roy Butler from Waterford where the pathologist Dr Margaret Bolster said a link between the vaccine and his death could not be established or ruled out, i.e inconclusive.

A vaccine jab that from all your ranting and raving on mRNA vaccines was not an mRNA vaccine but an adenovirus vector vaccine.

I have made my comments on an article that is obviously pro Covid Vaccine. I think you are struggling here and would prefer if it had been an obviously anti vax article. There is pro and anti Covid Vaccine points in the article. i acknowledge both. It is very brave of any institute/publication to post any anti/critical information on the Covid Vaccine due to the money/reputations/status implications of same. You have to remember like science through history questioning the norm is treated as heracy. It is a very brave person who sticks their head above the parapet.