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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭flatty


    Meh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    For the second time in my life i had a motorist stop to get out and yell abuse at me.

    I was out for a nice spin on Saturday when i met a small blue car on "Pucky Lane" Garristown.

    It's a small, grass down the middle rural road and the oncoming car did not slow down. So i pretty much stopped and pulled tight to the verge. I gave a shout as what i thought was a panicked elderly man drove past waaaay too close.

    Anyway as we all know this type of scenario is not massively unusual in the countryside so i continued on my merry way.

    About 3 or 4km later i was taking a left onto a side road with a car just behind me, so as i got onto the small road i checked and the car had followed me so i slowed and waved him through.

    A little blue Mazda 2 drives past and then slams on in front with the passenger window open and a teenage boy in passenger seat. I genuinely thought i was going to be asked for directions.

    What followed was an odd encounter. This man mid 50s or early 60s in awful sunglasses and a very red bald head jumped out to remonstrate because

    1. I wasn't "sharing the road" when we met
    2. I don't "own the road" no more than he does
    3. I assume I hurt his feelings by shouting?

    Anyway I say odd because he did in fairness seem to listen to my reasoning, for example, that i did indeed "share the road" but that it was very difficult when he was on my side driving straight at me. But then he went off on another rant about ownership of said road etc.

    Anyway I told him he was obviously too stupid to argue with. He got back in his car. Did some more yelling past his embarrassed child. I retorted that he should F off and learn to drive his half a car, and we all lived happily after.

    Christ…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,904 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    No longer a two car crash in Boyle, Roscommon, now the Indo says

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Baseball72


    "HILL STREET BLUES"

    Why have Dublin City Council installed traffic lights at the junction of Hill Street and Parnell Street?

    The stagged junction was fine and self-regulating between road users and pedestrians. Now, traffic backs up on all approaches causing unnecessary tailbacks. Also, why is there a 2 car parking bay on the left-hand side of Hill Street (as you drive up it) - it is blocking vehicles going up Hill Street in particular and this leads to cars on Parnell Street being blocked - and so on. Completely unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Locations confirmed for new average speed cameras on two ‘high collision’ roads | Irish Independent

    Progress at snail's pace. I can't get my head around why some things are made to be so complicated in this country, and others just get money thrown. "Need to install average speed cameras on roads? Oh, we'll need to think about it and conduct surveys and tests and reports before we can slowly start to roll that out." "Need a new bike shelter and security hut? Don't bore me with the details… €1.5m should cover you"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I obviously misread the announcement in May as the actual roll-out. They'l be getting the Killkennyans back up by describing the N25 one as "Waterford", though If it were me, I'd be having it on the stretch between New Ross and Wexford. It's a road I'd be on reasonably regularly and the section earmarked doesn't usually strike me as as having excessive speed, whereas the NR/Wexford stretch I've rarely failed to see some example of excessive speed/aggressive/stupid driving. Maybe being a wider stretch of road means fewer crashes, or maybe it's a time of day thing.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    The new ross road is mental for the auld speeding, routinely overtaken at cars doing 160kmph. I think the hard shoulder is the main reason more deadly crashes haven't occurred so it hides the behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    In fairness, I've only good things to say about the drivers in South Kerry and Beara peninsula. Phenomenal patience usually if I'm honest. Probably because they usually have so many tourists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,904 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Newstalk talking about distracting touchscreen consoles, drivers looking in awe at their laps, all novice drivers born with phones attached to hands, etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The idea that we would do the right thing and tighten up regulation on fashion accessory supersized SUVs is fanciful…

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/12/monster-pickup-trucks-accelerate-europe-sales-rise-safety-fears



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,904 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    The judge said the van was “hiding” behind a wall near a church and a filling station, and he had spotted four motorists jamming on their breaks to avoid getting done by the speed camera. “The location is dangerous. It’s going to lead to accidents – not prevent them,” he declared.

    Inspector Conor Madden said there had been a number of road accidents at that location which had resulted in serious injuries. But Judge Faughnan said the van was “shooting fish in a barrel” instead of slowing down traffic.

    Why would motorists be ignoring the speed limit in a "dangerous location" anyway? 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,717 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    as its Newstalk, I assume cyclists are to blame in some way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,209 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    WTF like?

    Am I naive to think that the judge's job is to enforce the law?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Judges seem to be a particular type of danger to road safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,209 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,113 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    don't bother. it's not a forum for people to complain about judgements.

    Who may make a complaint?

    1. a person who is directly affected by the alleged misconduct of a judge or

    2. a person who witnessed the alleged misconduct of a judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,209 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You're probably right, and I did see the recent report about how only one judicial complaint was admissible last year, but

    Isn't anyone who uses the roads directly affected by the misconduct of this judge?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,113 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I strongly suspect what he did would not count as misconduct, not under the terms of the complaints process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It's a valid discussion point. There's no doubt that speed vans cause speeding drivers to jump on the breaks… every time I pass one on the N11 after a certain bend in the road I'll end up undertaking drivers that had sped past me doing about 10kmph over the limit and then slowed to about 10kmph under the limit, all while sitting in the overtaking lane. It causes chaos at busy times of the day. That's not the fault of the law-enforcers, but it is a fact.

    Then you have to consider how speed vans have been discredited by so many sources over the years that they are seen as almost anti-citizen… there to get you… a snitch on 4 wheels. When one was torched a few years back you had plenty saying that it was good enough for the speed vans.

    You have the 'entrapment' defence.

    You have the 'we can't invest in static speed cameras' mantra.

    You have the 'we can't invest in average-speed cameras' mantra.

    At every turn it seems impossible to get any meaningful action to combat speeding and phone use in cars.

    It's easy to blame the legal system when you get the media publishing a story like that, but for me the blame lays squarely on the legislature. Successive governments across all parties have shown they don't really see road safety as an issue at all. Notice how all the hand wringing we saw at the start of the year has completely disappeared now that there's no stories and therefore no short-term political gain to be made?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Plus:

    Please note that a complaint made in relation to a judge's decision in proceedings before the judge is not admissible as a complaint.

    This is beyond a joke. And am I right in saying that Mayo leads the dishonourable list for road deaths this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,209 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If only there was some way to avoid having to jump on the brakes when you see a speed van



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,437 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,520 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    There's plenty of drivers who are at or below the limit, and still jump on the brakes when they see a speed van.

    There's quite often a Go Safe van parked at the location below at 08:00 in the morning. The limit is 80km/h and it's immediately after a roundabout. The distance from the roundabout means that with no traffic, someone would need to be accelerating extremely hard to reach 80 before passing the van. In regular rush hour traffic 80 is practically impossible there.

    Still doesn't stop a significant percentage of drivers hitting their brakes when they see the van there - despite the fact that they are nowhere near breaching the limit.

    It's not fun coming down that hill on a bike at the best of times, never mind when the concertina braking is in effect.

    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2432314,-6.1311797,3a,75y,333.25h,89.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgLAbUAyMmK6-p4_fouWV7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

    The cynic in me suspects the van is posted there at rush hour in order to bump up the stats on "vehicles monitored for speed" as opposed to actually expecting to detect anyone breaking the limit.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,113 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    go safe vans can only catch speeding motorists within 40m of the van anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I know that. You know that. Probably every single person knows that. But the law on causation takes a rather dispassionate view of things.

    Personally, those speed vans are a joke. You either see them a mile off or - as in this case - they're placed around corners causing asshats to jump on brakes and ultimately cause traffic chaos thanks to the concertina effect that cyclists and fans of pro cycling in particular are all too familiar with.

    I'd take your line of thought and go one further… if only there was some way of cheaply and consistently catching people who break the speed limits when driving…



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I thought they had improved the range to the point if you are within visible range long enough to make a detection, it can detect you. I could be wrong.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Black box in cars, simples and effective, has to be installed before the next NCT. Auto fine for 2 S.D. for GPS over the speed limit. Anyone without one loses the car, towed and crushed with a €5000 fine attached to your PPSH to be recouped from revenue within 30 days or over 12 months if your income is below a certain threshold.

    Speeding solved within 3 years, invest the money saved from reduced RTAs to install RLJ cameras.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,113 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    AFAIK the laser guns used by gardai have a theoretical range of over 1km, but that's because the garda can aim it very specifically at the car they want to measure. the go safe vans are not tracking individual targets in the same way so probably need you to get close to ensure the system is not confusing you with another car.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,520 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    The vans have that range - but they can only be configured to look at a specific area at any given time. So if it’s monitoring a spot 500m away, then it’s not monitoring the traffic at 300m - for example.

    To make the long ranges less attractive - on a straight stretch if they configure them to detect at a distance of 500m, then they need a clear line of sight for that 500m - anything in between could block the reading.

    Add to the complication that they can’t issue a ticket if more than one vehicle in the picture and it makes the long range detections by vans completely impractical.


    Hand held speed guns are more likely to be used for long range detections - but the level of manned speed traps seems to be very low these days



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